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bj F

Sorry but I have got a bee in my bonnet now I have gone through my college notes and one of the reasons you do not dot and dab tiles of any kind is that it leaves air pockets and in a bathroom the temperatures will change from extreme to extreme and this can cause the tile to blow. Also movement in the sub straight will in time case the tile to crack at is weakest point. (The part with now adhesive)
 
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bigandy

i have to agree with all the boys on here do not let them pick their tools up until they agree to rip it all off and do it correctly. i have been tiling for about 15 years and specialise in natural materials call the technical help line on the adhesive hey will definately set you right.they will normally even call in and advise you
 
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White Room

You will be pushing some grout into them joints to fill em up and you will have grout just hovering between the tiles and water will ingress and cracking will happen. Agree with all other comments, listen what the guys are saying. Please
 
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spanky

Ok, sorry, had things to do this evening, back now.

I am most grateful for your replies, I hope you're not all in bed yet.

Right, I have been using this forum for answers to my questions on this job, and yes I can confirm the old plasterwork was removed back to bare brick, I did it myself with a friend.

New plasterboard was then affixed to all the walls. To get the story right...

The plasterboard was originally fixed to the walls by a plasterer who obviously wanted to get the job done quickly, the tiler came the next day and started to tile using the "correct" method, covering the wall with adhesive, then using the notched trowel, then placing the tile, however, as he was going along the weight of the tile was pulling the plasterboard from the walls.

He stopped and said he would not continue until it was corrected.

The Plasterer came back and re-affixed the plasterboard much more securely.

Time had passed and the original booked tiler was then on another pre-booked job, so the contractor sourced another tiler who started on Tuesday this week.

It was not until today I noticed that he had been fitting the tiles using the method shown in the photo on page 1, dot and dab.

I think there is probably 50% - 60% of the tile covered in adhesive, I am sure the tile in the photo was "for show" and the ones that no-one has seen will have less on them.

Once I noticed this, I asked if he had done the whole room like this and he openly admitted that he had.

The tiler and the contractor are both saying it is fine and how they were told by the adhesive company and a tile firm that this was how it should be done.

I am now obviously a bit stuck, I paid £1000 ish for the Tiles and have paid this contractor to basically rip out the whole room, fit the tiles then fit a bathroom suite & shower cubicle with all ancillary works, it is going to cost him upwards of £3000 to rip it off and start again, perhaps more.

Obviously he is not going to "want" to do this.

????
 
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grumpygrouter

Spanky, i don't know if this is realistic or not but you seem to have a bit of an impass here. Why don't you consider some sort of external arbitration like trading standards for instance. Invite them in to consider the situation at present and see if they can find out the "correct" way it should be done for you. Or how about the TTA, they are supposed to be a controlling body of sorts.

All of us on here know it's wrong but hey, we only tile for a living! Your contractor seems to work to different rules, see if he is prepared to accept external guidance?
 
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Varley

If I were you I would ring the adhesive company up whilst the tiler and/or contractor is there, put the phone on speakerphone and pass it to the tiler/contractor. I will bet that the manufacturers do not condone this fixing method. This way the contractor will have little choice.
 
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uug197h

I think i can safely say that no one thinks its been done right and if you are going to pay for it it needs doing right, remember at the end of the day YOU have to live with it and all the problems it will bring you may think its going to cost a lot to start again but if the tiles fall of the wall and smash your bath its you that has to pay for it. if a tile falls of when your in the shower who will pay for your wages if you get hurt, only pay for a good job not a bodge job
 
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saintdom

it gets even worse now you have said they are putting in a shower cubicle, at least tell us that they have tanked the room sufficiently, PLEASE. 12.5 mm plasterboard will not last long if subjected to constant moisture, it will just turn too mush. Too be fair i dont tile much but do plaster and am surprised the room wasnt sand and cement rendered or at least hardwalled when you are talking 30kg sq m. this seems too heavy for D+d plasterboard and when wet it stands neigh chance.

I really hope you can get these mugs to do it right, it can be a nervous time when confronting tradesmen but rather that then wasting 1000s of puonds.

good luck
 
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spanky

I'm stuck, I want to tell them to rip it off, but we are now wondering where we go from here.

If I put myself in the contractors shoes, who I am sure knows it isn't right, what would you say?

I am currently out £1000 worth of tiles, which I guess I should expect him to replace, I should also expect him to rip it out, dispose of it, re-plasterboard it then re-tile it.

I would imagine he is going to tell me to get lost.

We have already paid a sizeable deposit, although I do think if it came to the crunch I could get every penny of that back, although that may involve judicious use of the County Court.

Do you see my problem?

On top of that, we have 2 babies under 2 years old and we have had no bathroom for almost 3 weeks now. This is our only bathroom.
 
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uug197h

do whats right not what keeps the peace, if your babys get injured you will blame yourself and can you live with that? at the end of the day its your choice YOU HAVE THE FINAL SAY
 
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spanky

What would be your reply to a customer who said this to you:

Those 35 sqm of tile I purchased have been fitted wrongly and may very well fall off and kill my child.

I want you to remove them, replace them and refit them the way it should have been done from the start.

I don't expect to have to pay again for this.......

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I can tell you
that I am pretty well decided to have it out in the morning, I just want to be armed, the tiler will be here at 8.00am or so, before most of these companies are open.

I imagine he will phone the main contractor, then quit the job.
 
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DHTiling

hi spanky....you hit the nail on the head there........2 babies under 2......you do not have enough adhesive behind those tiles to firmly hold them....you should have 90% minimum ..


Your tile fixer is wrong FULL STOP to fix like that with those tiles.....

you should have a solid fix with that type of tile no if's or but's......

Phone these comps and they will tell you the same....

Building Adhesives Limited
Longton Road, Trentham
Stoke-on-Trent
ST4 8JB
Tel: +44 (0) 1782 591100
Fax: +44 (0) 1782 591101


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Mapei U.K. Ltd. Mapei House - Steel Park Road - Halesowen, West Midlands, B62 8HD - United Kingdom Phone +44-121-5086970 Fax +44-121-5086960 [email protected]

ARDEX UK Limited Homefield Road, Haverhill, Suffolk CB9 8QP UK.
Tel: +44 (0)1440 714939 Fax: +44 (0)1440 716660
Technical Services Fax: +44 (0)1440 716640 E-mail: [email protected]
Registered in England No. 668297





All will tell you the same.........


let us know which way you go.....


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brian c

PUT HIM IN HIS PLACE AS SOON AS HE ARRIVES.

The job should never ever have been dot and dabbed is he definately a tiler?
 

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