Sand And Cement As Adhesive?

[Rizzle from the Portizzle]

Ray, it is easy to do I agree. Trouble is building regs don't always allow it as I have found out on the job I am doing later in the week.
40m2 floor to be built up 80mm ish , building control said no, had to find another solution.

10mm marmox boards on a block and beam floor will give the same insaltion challenge them to prove you wrong

 

[Rizzle from the Portizzle]

we have not understood, thin porcelain flatness ok. I mean 600x1200 or 1000x1000 200x1200 etc. 9 / 10mm thickness. honestly I have not find any planar.
as regards china india etc., I believe that there is nothing to learn regarding the laying of tiles.
I repeat, it's just my thought, I may be wrong.
and I can also cambiared mind.
because only the foolish never change mind

well the day i start to believe i cant learn more about fixing tiles from around the world oh my god i must be italian heres a few pics from china fixed in s/c and they fix a mosaic or two my god they must be rubbish

 

[White Room]

I'd love to see how they do it....

 

[Rizzle from the Portizzle]

I'd love to see how they do it....

well one day went to an office as i got out the lift there they are laying 1000x1000 on s/c there and then i walk down one path as i go in on new laid tiles on the way out anther coures to walk down all the time others are coming in and out of there offices and there they are laying away floor still there flat as a pan cake no cracks in sight 7 years later .they did not even look up just kept going now of all the things i have ever seen that i will never forget

 

[White Room]

well one day went to an office as i got out the lift there they are laying 1000x1000 on s/c there and then i walk down one path as i go in on new laid tiles on the way out anther coures to walk down all the time others are coming in and out of there offices and there they are laying away floor still there flat as a pan cake no cracks in sight 7 years later .they did not even look up just kept going now of all the things i have ever seen that i will never forget

At the end of the day Ray were told what's needed for modern fixing and take their advise as written in stone, when I worked in the Ascension Islands the "sand " (crushed eggs shells over the years) was taken from a beach where the turtles laid the eggs and only at certain times could the sand be removed for any building works, it worked for screeding and render.

 

[Italy]

well the day i start to believe i cant learn more about fixing tiles from around the world oh my god i must be italian heres a few pics from china fixed in s/c and they fix a mosaic or two my god they must be rubbish

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do not worry, do not fret, because I believe that you did not understand the translation (google traslade ...).
I know that there are such things in China, the TV also comes in italy
(as I understand) you Ray say that these works (pictures) are made with s & c?
until the measures are s & C?
you believe (again as I understand) that these jobs done with s & c. I am better than with glue?
else, I was saying that the installation of tiles made by the Chinese. (there is nothing to learn). Chinese do not work ....
now conclude that the speech is better, unfortunately the language I can not understand all the words, and then it is useless to argue.
thank you

 

[Spud]

we do a few floors each year laid in sand and cement here are few recentish ones, great way of laying tiles and its more widely used than you might think even these days

 

[Italy]

if you are pleased with our customers are happy with your work. all is ok.
probably my idea of perfection is different than yours,
now no longer I answer to this trend, otherwise I will raise your blood pressure. lol

 

[Spud]

I can't do perfect work

 

[Rizzle from the Portizzle]

if you are pleased with our customers are happy with your work. all is ok.
probably my idea of perfection is different than yours,
now no longer I answer to this trend, otherwise I will raise your blood pressure. lol

its time to get over the romans there long gone we have to look to the lay brothers that took tiling to the next level .blood pressure .in your dreams land of the fiat .but joint tiling .more bent tiles than you can shake a stick at .lol i do all day .how you get away with

 

[One Day]

Gary - why was Beko-tec drain matting specc'd there? And was it on top of Troba-plus?
Just curious!

 

[Spud]

I wanted to protect the installation from frost damage

 

[stephenoneill]

here in france and im sure mainland europe sand cement screed is the norm .directly after posing the screed portland cement is thrown on tge floor and tiles laid straight after .first time I seen that been done I thaught I was in the middle ages but it is very common here almost all houses are done this way.it is very messy annoying to do .but the local tilers love it .not for me .but it does work.and has worked for centuries.

 

[jonnyc]

I used to fix all the reclaimed stone and terracotta floors in a mix of plastering sand cement and flex adhesive . Still do some now . When fixing stone of quite varying thickness and when not having enough depth to do sand / cement only . I mix half a bag flex adhesive half bag white cement and 3 bags plaster sand .the flex adhesive in mix allows you to work stone into quite a wet bed and can get down from 20mm bed to 7mm easily . Apply skin of flex adhesive to screed and to back of tile and makes a good mortar sandwich . I have discussed this method with a few chemists at different adhesive manufacturers and none will guarantee mixing their adhesive in this way but they do say no reason it won't work .also used to use this method on bad screeds laying new limedtone but you have to be careful of bleeding organic matter etc coming up through stone

 

[Tile Marble Granite]

It's called old school tiling, I use this method a lot, learned it in US, it's called '' Jersey Job'' if I am not mistaken, there's lots of skills involved as well. It's kind of hard to see in these pictures the portland /cement, sharp sand but this job is done the ''Jersey Way". Use it especially for large stone installation. I am the old school from head to toe, LOL.

Jersey Way. Works a lot better than the adhesive does. Loving it!

 

[Old Mod]

It's called old school tiling, I use this method a lot, learned it in US, it's called '' Jersey Job'' if I am not mistaken, there's lots of skills involved as well. It's kind of hard to see in these pictures the portland /cement, sharp sand but this job is done the ''Jersey Way". Use it especially for large stone installation. I am the old school from head to toe, LOL.
Jersey Way. Works a lot better than the adhesive does. Loving it!

Well perhaps you could impart your knowledge with the forum then @detroitMi and do a thread for us?
I'm sure there would be a lot of interest.

 

[Diggy]

Sand and cement fixing = proper tilers,how many on here can do it ? Remember we can use adhesive but can you fix tiles with s&c

I can , learnt it right at the begining of my career as modern adhesives were starting to come in. A skill I'm glad I paid attention too , as I've used it a handful of times to some smaller jobs , quarry tiles mainly. Turned up on one job about 15 yrs ago to tile an outside porch , the concrete sub looked like it had been laid by Mr S.Wonder . There was S&C in the back of the blokes truck so did it with that ( 8" Quarries , lovely size and sorely missed ) , came up mint . Of course its other advantage is you create falls as you go and install gulleys.
For the OP , building paper used to be put down as a form of movement layer ( mainly for larger installs like communal shower areas etc ) , never did sand myself.

Still a top method of fixing imho , in the right situation.

Brief method. Semi wet screed , trowel up some moisture/fat , sieve on neat cement , trowel over , lay on tiles , sprinkle over dry S&C and gently brush into joints ( this not only grouts the tiles but also stops them wandering too much when beating ), sprinkle on a little water , beat down with beating blocks ( 4x2x15 for 6" quarries ) ,align , clean off , grout whats left to fill when set ( sometimes joints are full depending on size of joint , so final grout may not be needed )

Works for me , been a while tho'

Diggy :0)

 

[Spud]

you can do wall tiling with sand and cement too there are several different methods thin and thick bedding
here is the thick bed or hand fixing method as it is sometimes called

 

[White Room]

you can do wall tiling with sand and cement too there are several different methods thin and thick bedding
here is the thick bed or hand fixing method as it is sometimes called

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What would that room be used for Gary for the tiles to be fix with s/c or was it just a preference.

 

[Spud]

What would that room be used for Gary for the tiles to be fix with s/c or was just a preference.

laundry room in an old peoples home , plasterers left the walls in scratch coat so I decided to fit the tiles the old fashioned way , hadnt done it for several years so wanted a bit of practice

 

[White Room]

Keep your hand in as they say.

 

[Italy]

you can do wall tiling with sand and cement too there are several different methods thin and thick bedding
here is the thick bed or hand fixing method as it is sometimes called

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30 years ago, it started so

 

[One Day]

QUOTE="GaryTheTiler, post: 801673, member: 4720"]laundry room in an old peoples home , plasterers left the walls in scratch coat so I decided to fit the tiles the old fashioned way , hadnt done it for several years so wanted a bit of practice[/QUOTE] you do realise that you've made removing them at some possible future date, rather a headache for someone don't you?!

 

[White Room]

Tile on tile

 

[One Day]

Tile on tile

well there's no chance of them falling off anyway!

 

[The D]

you can do wall tiling with sand and cement too there are several different methods thin and thick bedding
here is the thick bed or hand fixing method as it is sometimes called

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That pic brings back memories of labouring on the old boys when i was a kid i hated getting the tiles from the bottom of the bouch, come to think of it i hated every thing about S&C work lol

 

[Ste-G]

you can do wall tiling with sand and cement too there are several different methods thin and thick bedding
here is the thick bed or hand fixing method as it is sometimes called

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This takes me back, soaking the tiles in a bin full of water over night, getting them out and stacking them to drain in the morning ready for fixing. Great job for the winter months, I can still feel the chilblains now

 

[dean.diy]

b****y good thread that.

 

[Italy]

That pic brings back memories of labouring on the old boys when i was a kid i hated getting the tiles from the bottom of the bouch, come to think of it i hated every thing about S&C work lol

oh my god that memories ....
hate even now

 

[Brian the Tile]

QUOTE="GaryTheTiler, post: 801673, member: 4720"]laundry room in an old peoples home , plasterers left the walls in scratch coat so I decided to fit the tiles the old fashioned way , hadnt done it for several years so wanted a bit of practice

you do realise that you've made removing them at some possible future date, rather a headache for someone don't you?![/QUOTE]
Like s..t to a blanket lol