wet room / hall and kitchen

[mick 55]

Hi all
Some advice needed please. I'm doing a renovation and now it needs tiling. I've tried to get a tiler but cant get one in the time frame i need, as time is running out and i need to move in by the end of April, i'm going to have to do the job myself. The floor is 60mm anhydrite screed with water ufh , it was laid at the beginning of October last year, the heating has been on since jan and sanded with an str sander with a copper plate. In the wetroom i have a tray former with a linear drain, all the tiles for the floor are rectified porcelain 600x600. Do i need anti fracture mat and if so what adhesive should i use, will the floor need priming and what primer, what size trowels to use? Also need to get a cutter, thinking about the monolit 93 ,do i need a wet saw as well ? The wall tiles are 1200x200 on one wall porcelain, the other 3 walls are 300 x660. What's the best adhesive? 3 walls are abacus elements board and one plaster. The total meterage is about 40 m2 any help appreciated
Thanks Mick

 

[bsc ceramics]

Have you done any tiing before?

 

[mick 55]

Have you done any tiing before?

A bit but not on this scale

 

[Declan]

Hi I’m pint too far I have some time spare I’m specialist in all aspects of tiling 07925647690

 

[bsc ceramics]

I think you would be wise to get some on site advice

 

[benchwarmer]

Weber sbr primer, follow instructions for anhydrate screed, but also lay anti fracture mat ontop, tape joints, lay tiles, flexible adhesive throughout whether recommended or not! slowset flexible if your a beginner, take your time and your laughing!
Cheap vitrex 1200 cutter will cut any tile known to man, not for long and is clumpy to use but for one job and around £100 is what you need. 👍🏻
Or there's the other geezer who's a pint too far, but also a specialist?
He might do it for you 👍🏻

 

[benchwarmer]

Ps, don't forget to turn the ufh off first!
And leave it off
For a while, then graduate it back up👍🏻

 

[mick 55]

Thanks for the replies

I think you would be wise to get some on site advice

I would like to but cant get anyone to come around , I've been trying to get a tiler for at least a month ,everyone seems to busy or not interested .thanks for the reply

 

[mick 55]

Ps, don't forget to turn the ufh off first!
And leave it off
For a while, then graduate it back up👍🏻

Thanks for the reply what matting would you use ,I'm try to keep the build up minimal and should I use a gypsum based adhesive for the mat and a cement based for the tiles i was thinking either mapitex or idrobuild and anhi fix for the mat ? cheers

 

[Anthony]

Thanks for the reply what matting would you use ,I'm try to keep the build up minimal and should I use a gypsum based adhesive for the mat and a cement based for the tiles i was thinking either mapitex or idrobuild and anhi fix for the mat ? cheers

Hi. I use ultra adhesive,and they state you shouldn’t use calcium based adhesive to stick matting. Prime twice use an s2 adhesive for floor.(no matting req) For better results you can have the ufh switched on,but keep it at its lowest temperature,sub 15 degrees also your not supposed to use a fully flexible adhesive on matting! Prime walls. Ultra standard set white

 

[benchwarmer]

Hi. I use ultra adhesive,and they state you shouldn’t use calcium based adhesive to stick matting. Prime twice use an s2 adhesive for floor.(no matting req) For better results you can have the ufh switched on,but keep it at its lowest temperature,sub 15 degrees also your not supposed to use a fully flexible adhesive on matting! Prime walls. Ultra standard set white

Do not do any of this!

 

[benchwarmer]

Hi. I use ultra adhesive,and they state you shouldn’t use calcium based adhesive to stick matting. Prime twice use an s2 adhesive for floor.(no matting req) For better results you can have the ufh switched on,but keep it at its lowest temperature,sub 15 degrees also your not supposed to use a fully flexible adhesive on matting! Prime walls. Ultra standard set white

 

[benchwarmer]

Hi. I use ultra adhesive,and they state you shouldn’t use calcium based adhesive to stick matting. Prime twice use an s2 adhesive for floor.(no matting req) For better results you can have the ufh switched on,but keep it at its lowest temperature,sub 15 degrees also your not supposed to use a fully flexible adhesive on matting! Prime walls. Ultra standard set

Like I said, use ultra slow, if you're a beginner, this clown seems to think ultra standard is better, but it's not, not for a beginner!
Also, do you want your floor tiles to only stick to an anhydrate screed, or to not leech the ***** through the grout joints? Which after a couple of months they will! 😂, then you'll have white grout lines, loose tiles and headaches! ****** Coventry mongs man! 😂 Wow

 

[mick 55]

Like I said, use ultra slow, if you're a beginner, this clown seems to think ultra standard is better, but it's not, not for a beginner!
Also, do you want your floor tiles to only stick to an anhydrate screed, or to not leech the ***** through the grout joints? Which after a couple of months they will! 😂, then you'll have white grout lines, loose tiles and headaches! ****** Coventry mongs man! 😂 Wow

Cheers mate thought iit was a bit suspect about leaving the ufh on as everyone else says it should be off anyway going to get all the materials and start next-week wish me luck thanks for the reply

 

[Anthony]

Like I said, use ultra slow, if you're a beginner, this clown seems to think ultra standard is better, but it's not, not for a beginner!
Also, do you want your floor tiles to only stick to an anhydrate screed, or to not leech the ***** through the grout joints? Which after a couple of months they will! 😂, then you'll have white grout lines, loose tiles and headaches! ****** Coventry mongs man! 😂 Wow

Ultra standard set is

Like I said, use ultra slow, if you're a beginner, this clown seems to think ultra standard is better, but it's not, not for a beginner!
Also, do you want your floor tiles to only stick to an anhydrate screed, or to not leech the ***** through the grout joints? Which after a couple of months they will! 😂, then you'll have white grout lines, loose tiles and headaches! ****** Coventry mongs man! 😂 Wow

Underfloor Heating (UFH): If UFH is being installed it must be fully commissioned before starting the tiling process to ensure it is in full working order. This includes both electric mat and water pipe systems. Once the UFH has been commissioned it can be set to a low level to provide a max floor temperature of 15 ̊C whilst the tiling and grouting processes are undertaken. It is critical that this temperature is not exceeded as this can force dry the adhesive and grout with the potential of causing cracks in the installation or tiles to de-bond. Maintain this temperature for a minimum period of 7 days while the installation cures and hardens. After this time the UFH can be brought up to the required room temperature slowly at a rate of 5 ̊C per day.
From the technical data sheet ultra tile fix. Standard set is slow set! Calcium based adhesive is for use without matting. Your still walking on cobbles you northern gimp!

 

[Anthony]

Ultra standard set is


Underfloor Heating (UFH): If UFH is being installed it must be fully commissioned before starting the tiling process to ensure it is in full working order. This includes both electric mat and water pipe systems. Once the UFH has been commissioned it can be set to a low level to provide a max floor temperature of 15 ̊C whilst the tiling and grouting processes are undertaken. It is critical that this temperature is not exceeded as this can force dry the adhesive and grout with the potential of causing cracks in the installation or tiles to de-bond. Maintain this temperature for a minimum period of 7 days while the installation cures and hardens. After this time the UFH can be brought up to the required room temperature slowly at a rate of 5 ̊C per day.
From the technical data sheet ultra tile fix. Standard set is slow set! Calcium based adhesive is for use without matting. Your still walking on cobbles you northern gimp!

Sorry. Calcium based adhesive is not for use WITH matting.

 

[benchwarmer]

Ultra standard set is


Underfloor Heating (UFH): If UFH is being installed it must be fully commissioned before starting the tiling process to ensure it is in full working order. This includes both electric mat and water pipe systems. Once the UFH has been commissioned it can be set to a low level to provide a max floor temperature of 15 ̊C whilst the tiling and grouting processes are undertaken. It is critical that this temperature is not exceeded as this can force dry the adhesive and grout with the potential of causing cracks in the installation or tiles to de-bond. Maintain this temperature for a minimum period of 7 days while the installation cures and hardens. After this time the UFH can be brought up to the required room temperature slowly at a rate of 5 ̊C per day.
From the technical data sheet ultra tile fix. Standard set is slow set! Calcium based adhesive is for use without matting. Your still walking on cobbles you northern gimp!

Ultra standard set ISN'T!
Ultra slow, is slow,
Ultra standard is standard, and yes, it lasts ages in the bucket, but doesn't allow any where near as much time for adjustment that a beginner may require!
You do know that there is a difference between slow, and standard? No?

 

[benchwarmer]

Sorry. Calcium based adhesive is not for use WITH matting.

Just call bal, schluter, or whatever mat you're using,
Ultra is fine!
And yes, they will still stick to the floor, however, will not give any crack resistance or resilience from laitence leeching up through the screed as a mat will!
Cheers for your help though Tony👍🏻
But your advice has been completely wrong and unrequired in this scenario, so see you later son, I'm off to wash my hair
Kind regards
Right again
Northern monkey x

 

[mick 55]

Thanks guys for the replies would you put the Matt over the shower former as it has already been tanked ?
cheers Play nice😉

 

[Anthony]

Just call bal, schluter, or whatever mat you're using,
Ultra is fine!
And yes, they will still stick to the floor, however, will not give any crack resistance or resilience from laitence leeching up through the screed as a mat will!
Cheers for your help though Tony👍🏻
But your advice has been completely wrong and unrequired in this scenario, so see you later son, I'm off to wash my hair
Kind regards
Right again
Northern monkey

1.laitence is the term used to the mineral that sits on top of the screed that should of been sanded anyway anything LEECHING THROUGH after that is called a leak mate.
2 do you think calcium based adhesive was produced just to stick
Matting. No it’s to stick the tiles directly to the floor.
3 crack resistance is related to the tile. you would use it for natural stone ie marble/limestone. If your worried about the screed cracking why don’t they put an expansion joint in the screed. Weak points are doorways cut tile in rebate and silicone joint it
4 you must think rapid set goes off quicker than fast set.😂😂

Just call bal, schluter, or whatever mat you're using,
Ultra is fine!
And yes, they will still stick to the floor, however, will not give any crack resistance or resilience from laitence leeching up through the screed as a mat will!
Cheers for your help though Tony👍🏻
But your advice has been completely wrong and unrequired in this scenario, so see you later son, I'm off to wash my hair
Kind regards
Right again
Northern monkey x

Ultra standard set ISN'T!
Ultra slow, is slow,
Ultra standard is standard, and yes, it lasts ages in the bucket, but doesn't allow any where near as much time for adjustment that a beginner may require!
You do know that there is a difference between slow, and standard? No?

Standard and slow are the same.
do you think rapid goes off quicker than fast set 😂😂 it’s just wording!

 

[benchwarmer]

1.laitence is the term used to the mineral that sits on top of the screed that should of been sanded anyway anything LEECHING THROUGH after that is called a leak mate.
2 do you think calcium based adhesive was produced just to stick
Matting. No it’s to stick the tiles directly to the floor.
3 crack resistance is related to the tile. you would use it for natural stone ie marble/limestone. If your worried about the screed cracking why don’t they put an expansion joint in the screed. Weak points are doorways cut tile in rebate and silicone joint it
4 you must think rapid set goes off quicker than fast set.😂😂


Standard and slow are the same.
do you think rapid goes off quicker than fast set 😂😂 it’s just wording!

You're completely correct, standard is slow setting, however I was instructing a novice tiler to use the actual "slow" set, as he is an actual beginner, and there is a difference! The ultra standard set "grabs" tiles quicker! Leaving less room for manoeuvre later on in the day, whereas the ultra slowset, which you obviously don't know exists, doesn't grab the tiles as quickly!
So therefore standard and slow are definitely NOT the same mate,
And regarding the antifracture mat, you're wrong also! The mat will allow for slight deformation to the screed! 😂 Expansion joints are for a completely different use!
So you would only use anti fracture mat with a natural stone? Even on a new screed?