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My prices have changed so much over the last year
I set up 2 years ago and was losing out on time and money tbh so I upped prices but have found with different jobs its is different with time etc

I've done jobs like 30m² of metro tiling on 21 walls in a takeaway and found I lost out on cash but I've done 700x350 tiles and felt iv over priced

My prices have 2 prices

For packs in 1m² containing up to 20 tiles I charge £22.5m²
For packs containing more I charge £30m²
The time between the 2 can be along time as people will know

Most of my jobs are full bathrooms so plumbing plastering tiling and little bits on boxing out etc

When I pick jobs up like kitchens or floor tiling I just charge day rate of £120 plus materials and have found people are happy with this

It has taken some time to find the right balance of what to charge but I am getting there now
 
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Jon Boy

I charge the following

Floors
Ceramics £30 m2
Porcelain £35m2
Slate £40m2
Stone/mosaics £45+ m2
All including adhesive and grout

Kitchens or bathrooms on day rate of £140 a day plus materials, because all those sockets/boxing in or Windows slow you down.

Any prep prior to tiling is done on day rate plus materials.eg levelling, sanitary removal, over boarding, skirting removal and replacement etc
 
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I charge day rate of 175-225 depending on the 'ache' factor of the work involved. I. E having no space to set tools up, having to walk long distances to and from water etc. Never give meterage prices, I'd rather weigh up how long it's going to take and give a fixed price. If i get done more quickly then extra profit for me. I also aim to make a decent amount supplying materials these days too. Some jobs i can make more supplying than fixing.
 
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After a long time absent, I just tumbled on this thread. I think that some of the prices here are rather high.

Ceramics - starting at £18 psm. Bathroom last week, 4 walls and floor, 25sq m; one window recess, 3.5m of pipe boxing. Walls using 600x300 ceramics in brickbond, and floor 600x300 straightbond. Charged £450 labour (£18 psm) and completed in 3 days - i.e. £150/day.

Porcelain floor - usually about £20 psm. Last month completed 54 sq m floor in 4 days. Priced at £20 psm, £1056, which earns me £264/day.

Natural stone - very hit and miss, price structure usually starts at £30 psm, and rises to £60, depending on work required. In June I completed 26 sq m of 22mm thick tumbled limestone in grand opus pattern and 28 sq m of 400x600 limestone on bathroom walls. Priced at £25 psm for a builder who agreed to do all prep work and seal tiles after. Total £1350, 7 days in total, or about £190/day. However, last month I tiled 600x300 limestone tiles in an en suite bathroom on third floor of a terraced house in Bristol, with all tile cutting three floors down at rear, no skip, garden the size of the bathroom, which had 22 sq m of tiling required. It took me 7 days and was charged at £38psm or just £120 per day. That was an expensive error on my part but we all learn from our mistakes!

Materials. Usually priced per sq m when supplied - so rsf grey adhesive for porcelain floor with 5mm x 9mm grout gap - £8 psm. Stone tiling with rsf white adhesive, and 7x15mm grout gap would be £16 psm.

Day rate - Bath and Bristol £175/day (must include free parking), elsewhere £150. I class a lot of jobs up to 12 sq m as "tile in a day" jobs; i.e. in, set out, prime, fix and grout in one day - as long at tiles are fixed by 2pm, this is achievable. These are excellent jobs to fill in odd day gaps from larger commissions.

Discounts - Friends and family are charged less - not telling you by how much. Quiet periods bring lower prices to keep monthly costs paid. Larger tiling may attract price discounts, depending on what incentives I am given.

Windows/boxing-in/hole cutting. These are all standard problems for tilers - come on guys you cannot charge to drill a hole. I usually accept one window recess and up to a metre of boxing without increasing the price, but actually they are not that difficult, and the extra time taken is balanced by clean walls - a 6 sq m wall with no holes or obstructions should take me about 3 hours at the most, whilst a (metal) trimmed uneven window recess can take about the same amount of time.

Kitchen worktop splashbacks. A tricky one sometimes. I can expect to complete 4 sq m tiled, grouted and siliconed in a day, but sometimes there is a lot of fiddling around fittings, and differing socket heights and window recesses may require some lateral thinking on planning the height of the tiles. I always now charge this on a day rate. I have even tiled a curved wall with metro tiles in a brickbond pattern - again lateral thinking on running break lines like you have to in some wet room floors - customer thought it looked fantastic though.

Additional work: Ditra mat - I usually price to supply Ditra, adhesive and fix as a single price. It allows me to make a decent profit on obtaining Ditra at special prices whilst customers can rarely source the material below £12 psm. e.g. 44 sq m of Ditra supplied and fitted at £18 psm. Just like carpet and vinyl suppliers do! Levelling depends on depth, but again it makes sense to try to supply and fit at a psm price (but beware of any serious depth differences). To provide a 3-5mm level using a flexible self levelling compound I charge around £12 psm.

Competition - there are still guys in my area tiling for £80/day. I suspect some work on site Monday to Friday, but its very difficult in price conscious times to compete with that, so I don't try. Customer service alone makes my prices competitive. Timeliness, keeping promises, politeness, quality work, cleanliness, and accurate pricing seems to give me the edge. We all have off days too, but I try to keep a professional face on my work, and I try to give the customer the result they want - I have even removed and replaced natural stone tiles because the "pattern on the tile does not match the ones around it" - in fact on one floor I allowed the customer to direct where the (6 different) patterns of the porcelain tiles went just so that they were happy with the finished result (and yes some customers are that picky!)

The final word on pricing - I make a site visit on 95% of all jobs. I price according to what needs to be done, and site visits reduce pricing errors. Tiles sizes are only an issue when the surface to be tiled is an issue - if the surface is perfectly flat and sound, even small tiles can be applied quickly, although a 600x600 tile installation will always be quicker than a 100x100 tile. I am more likely to increase the price for facility issues - parking, access and loading, cutting area restrictions, height of tiling, waste, traffic jams (it takes me less time to travel to Swindon - 50 miles - than to Clifton in Bristol - 17 miles) than for tiling problems.
 
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I think some of the prices on here are worryingly low! I guess it depends which ponds you fish in but I hate seeing quality tilers earning below average wages. If you're good at what you do and can justify the premium over other "tilers" - damn well charge it and don't be afraid to!
 
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jonnyc

Btw I price every job I do the same if job within 75 mins of my base .Don't care how big the house is or who client is . If outside that zone I factor in extra travel time .my guys do a shorter actual labour day but more driving and I contra charge the client for that extra travel time in my quote .take it or leave it. When go past 2 hours I charge 40% more and pay my employees equal amount more .plus I pay for b@b or cottage and all food plus travel time . When working overseas on specialist projects whole travel time paid to my guys but I include these costs in my quote . I learnt very early to never take an overseas job just because I fancied going away . There are potential hidden dangers unknown and you are very open when not at home . See my story about South Africa job before you ever take an overseas job !!!! 50 % min labour cost upfront plus book your own fights / accommodation paid for in advance .
 
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jonnyc

If I charged £130 pp per day as a day rate I would be bankrupt in 4 months. It costs me between 190 and 210 a day to employ my guys before i make my first penny . That may sound high but to get to this figure I have to take in to account not just their gross wage but also employer tax / holiday pay @ 28 days min plus sick pay .i also have say 30 K overheads as example for four of us inc me . This covers all business expenses inc 3 vans / insurance / fuel etcc. So I divide overheads by 4 and that's how I arrive at the figure it costs me to employ my guys. So I obviously price myself out of many jobs from cold calls . But to my regular contractors I think
They appreciate that i can will supply top
Labour and as importantly they know who will turn up on site . My guys have over 70 years working together between us .the only way I can survive is by supplying quality labour required for top
End work.but when a job gets delayed and I have to go out to market to seek work I am pretty stuffed. I can't compete . Just hope I can see my work module through till I can retire
 
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One Day

If I charged £130 pp per day as a day rate I would be bankrupt in 4 months. It costs me between 190 and 210 a day to employ my guys before i make my first penny . That may sound high but to get to this figure I have to take in to account not just their gross wage but also employer tax / holiday pay @ 28 days min plus sick pay .i also have say 30 K overheads as example for four of us inc me . This covers all business expenses inc 3 vans / insurance / fuel etcc. So I divide overheads by 4 and that's how I arrive at the figure it costs me to employ my guys. So I obviously price myself out of many jobs from cold calls . But to my regular contractors I think
They appreciate that i can will supply top
Labour and as importantly they know who will turn up on site . My guys have over 70 years working together between us .the only way I can survive is by supplying quality labour required for top
End work.but when a job gets delayed and I have to go out to market to seek work I am pretty stuffed. I can't compete . Just hope I can see my work module through till I can retire
with your experience and contacts you could really shift into consultancy.
 
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jonnyc

I do that quite a lot but unpaid . This is my give back to stone suppliers and always has been . Quite a simple relationship but works . I never cease to be amazed at what supposed stone fixers are capable of .
 
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slythetiler

Quiet an interesting topic, one i have been surprised at. I qualified as a plumber, and a tiler...before you ask they were both time served courses, totalling 10 years back to back. I spent the first 6months as a tiler, i watching my mentor, fetching, cleaning, scraping! Didnt fix my first tile for 18 months, after the cleaning and carrying i was promoted to "preper".....removing old tiles and flooring, priming, sealing!!!
I asked my mentor why i was given the remidial tasks and he said " i'll tell thee why lad" he was from yorkshire..." if tha' can do wit cleanin' and stuff, wi'owt bother, thee wonna go wrong learnin' trade from tha' ground up. am i reet" (excuse my yorkshire accent but you get the idea)

Interesting to see what you guys have put for tile prices. My prices start from £20pm for ceramics and increase with the type/size of tile.
depending on the job, i will charge a meterage rate to include materials, or a day rate depending on the work involved. I also have standard package prices for full rip outs and installs.
This could include back to brick and restarts in an older property, or re boarding for plasterboard that has deteriorated. A typical average day rate for me is £140, a typical average package bathroom install - not including materials is £1460.
I am based in the north west, just above wales! I moved here 4 years ago and started to do social housing work to get some money coming in. knocked that on the head when i realised i had to tile shower cubicles with no primer or tanking sealer! not prepared to do that!.
My question to you guys is, after reading some of the posts, how would you price up the following.

example 1, Concrete base conservatory with standard DPM, like a ploughed field. 6M square room with 60x60 porcelains.


Also, if you had to prepare damaged floor in a bathroom priot to starting a job, i.e rotten boards, that you could not see before removing the existing floor covering, how would some of you make money on the job, somw have said if the job went over you would not charge any extra? likewise if the render/plaster had blown of the wall. would you get that repaired at your own expense?

Also i was told once by a building contractor, that tilers are ten a penny, anyone can do that!
Which is quite true, i have been undercut on many jobs to the tune of £60 a day!
I like to feel that for my £140 a day, my customers are getting good quality service from a tiler skilled in what he does. And i agree with one comment that this trade needs to be regulated and treated the same as gas fitter, plumbers and such. Whilst we have the TTA, its not really a governing body that can regulate and keep a tight reign on the cowboy odd jobbers that bring our trade into disrepute.
 

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