Tile Straight Onto This?

[J Sid]

The last Gulf stone that I laid stated on the box that 2 part must be used.

It does

 

[One Day]

I use BAL PTB - much less water. Or a very rapid setting S1 like Ardex X77S which uses the water up quickly.
It's water that creates the issues.

 

[Italy]

I do not understand..
been talking about adding additive (latex) type this
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or type of bicomponent adhesive for laying over iron?
http://www.mapei.com/public/IT/products/113_granirapid_uk.pdf

 

[J Sid]

I use BAL PTB - much less water. Or a very rapid setting S1 like Ardex X77S which uses the water up quickly.
It's water that creates the issues.

Why not use what is recommend by the tiles suppliers ?

 

[jobdone]

Expensive tiles to get a failure on. All failure is expensive, rather the customer paid for the correct adhesive than have to pay for a new all for a few pounds more.

 

[mickp]

Looks like this could be more complicated than I imagined. The tiles I plan to use are these from tile mountain;

Quartz Stone Grey

In the description it says that keraquick adhesive must be used to fix quartz tiles. I was thinking keraflex was just a slower drying version of keraquick and that the s1 version was just a more flexible version of keraflex and would therefore be OK to use. Maybe it needs to be keraquick mixed with latex rather than water. I am guessing tile mountain are recommending this adhesive as it is a brand they stock. I'm not sure who actually manufacturers the tiles so can't find a manufacturer recommendation.

I did find some information on the porcelenosa website regarding adhesive used for their DQS tiles which are similar. The info states 2 part adhesive and also points out that it is the water in conventional adhesives that cause the problem.

I guess I now understand why a slow setting adhesive is not practical.

I'm beginning to think that this job may be better handled by a pro or maybe a re-think on the tile choice.

Glad I posted on here before diving straight in though. Could have gotten myself in a right mess.

Thanks all

 

[hmtiling]

Get a pro in. Also, I'd insist they use a 2 part.
Good luck

 

[mickp]

It's looking like the way forward.

Thanks

 

[One Day]

Why not use what is recommend by the tiles suppliers ?

Because I like living life on the edge

Or because they over-specify to make sure that risks are minimised. I can minimise my own risks by understanding why a product is specified, and choose accordingly. It's not corner cutting - it's rationalising.

 

[Italy]

After two days, I realized just now that tiles are quartz / resin and wooden support .......... sorry. is old

 

[J Sid]

Because I like living life on the edge

Or because they over-specify to make sure that risks are minimised. I can minimise my own risks by understanding why a product is specified, and choose accordingly. It's not corner cutting - it's rationalising.

Living dangerously I would say.

 

[G Taylor Tiling]

After two days, I realized just now that tiles are quartz / resin and wooden support .......... sorry. is old

I would stick Dural Ci + Matting down with Tile Master Adhesive S2 Ultimate, Then S2 Ultimate For the Quartz & Grout in Kerakoll Liquid Grout.
Have no Problem with the floor then!!

 

[Unused Account 1]

You can tile onto it ,but if any problems ,when you lift the tiles ,you have to replace the floor,as it will bring half of the floor with it

 

[hmtiling]

I would stick Dural Ci + Matting down with Tile Master Adhesive S2 Ultimate, Then S2 Ultimate For the Quartz & Grout in Kerakoll Liquid Grout.
Have no Problem with the floor then!!

Belt and braces but meant to be 2 part adhesive with quartz/resin and I don't think s2 is recommended with Durabase

 

[Italy]

I ignorant on the subject.
in italy hardly ever laying tile on wood.
and little quartz resin.
I would not say things that I ignore,

they i scold ...lol

 

[J Sid]

I would stick Dural Ci + Matting down with Tile Master Adhesive S2 Ultimate, Then S2 Ultimate For the Quartz & Grout in Kerakoll Liquid Grout.
Have no Problem with the floor then!!

Why not use the adhesive recommend by the tile manufacturers?
I don't use Tilemaster, but is S2 Ultimate recommend for fix on waterproofed coated chipboard?

 

[G Taylor Tiling]

Belt and braces but meant to be 2 part adhesive with quartz/resin and I don't think s2 is recommended with Durabase

Yes No Problem Dural actually spec S2 to stick there matting down, but S1 is fine... And Tilemaster adhy S2 Is the choice for Quartz... absolutely no problem with this especially with underfloor heating

 

[G Taylor Tiling]

Why not use the adhesive recommend by the tile manufacturers?
I don't use Tilemaster, but is S2 Ultimate recommend for fix on waterproofed coated chipboard?

Tilemaster S2 is there belt and braces...even Steel/Metal !!!

 

[J Sid]

So that's a yes to waterproofed chipboard is it?
And your happy using a water based adhesive on resin tiles? Against recommendations.

This Tilemaster looks like a miracle product will have to look into it and speak to them, will save a fortune in costs.

 

[G Taylor Tiling]

So that's a yes to waterproofed chipboard is it?
And your happy using a water based adhesive on resin tiles? Against recommendations.

This Tilemaster looks like a miracle product will have to look into it and speak to them, will save a fortune in costs.

Yes Yes & Yes... Yes speack to Tilemasters.. The S2 Ultimate is fantastic. use it all the time with Dural matting on timber ... its the Future, I have used many products over the 23 years in the Tiling Game ... this one fills me with confidence! great service as well...

 

[hmtiling]

Do you use s2 on top of durabase? I'm sure that defeats the object of the membrane as it's too deformable

 

[J Sid]

Good to know Tilemaster as come up with a product the sticks to substrates where other can't and fixes tiles where only none water based adhesive are recommend by the tile manufacturers.

So how do we stand if we fixed say Gulf Stone with Tilemaster S2 ultimate and there is a failure ?

 

[G Taylor Tiling]

Good to know Tilemaster as come up with a product the sticks to substrates where other can't and fixes tiles where only none water based adhesive are recommend by the tile manufacturers.

So how do we stand if we fixed say Gulf Stone with Tilemaster S2 ultimate and there is a failure ?

Like any other get in touch with Tilemaster & their Technical department, Like I say Ask them, They Spec S2 ultimate for tiling Quartz, composite, Bitumen, Steel/metal, Green screed. Everything, and yes I use S2 on top of Dural Matting. If in any doubt I always ask before a project
Again Great Service from a Family run business, I have had no issues.

 

[hmtiling]

Imo you're doing it wrong mate

 

[G Taylor Tiling]

Imo you're doing it wrong mate

Thanks for that.... but that's your opinion, check the spec's & ask the technical guys...
surely they can't be wrong!

 

[J Sid]

Thanks for that.... but that's your opinion, check the spec's & ask the technical guys...
surely they can't be wrong!

You maybe right, but how will you get on if the tile fails because you have not followed the tile manufacturers recommendations?
Will Tilemaster stand by you?

 

[G Taylor Tiling]

Imo you're doing it wrong mate

Part of the problems with Quartz, resin stone... is that they are poor in quality, I have had suppliers say no to underfloor heating, seen Dodgy Quartz tiles vary from box to box of 6-7mm thick... to 10-12mm
Again you get what you pay for!

 

[hmtiling]

Thanks for that.... but that's your opinion, check the spec's & ask the technical guys...
surely they can't be wrong!

No offence but I'd go with the technical direction of Dural when fixing durabase and the technical direction of a tile manufacturer when fixing their tiles. S2 isn't the miracle answer to everything.

 

[G Taylor Tiling]

You maybe right, but how will you get on if the tile fails because you have not followed the tile manufacturers recommendations?
Will Tilemaster stand by you?

With Quartz I always ask where they have come from, They need good quality, you can use two -part Flexi Hardi backer, Liquid Grout..etc..but if they are cheap imitations, like I am sure you have seen Then There is still a Risk, Tiles curling at edges etc... Will the internet shop stand by thier tiles??/ No, They will always look for blame in fixing, I only do each job as if it were my own, I do not want comebacks,
I would recommend trying Tilemasters... or at least, get in touch, see for yourself...

 

[G Taylor Tiling]

No offence but I'd go with the technical direction of Dural when fixing durabase and the technical direction of a tile manufacturer when fixing their tiles. S2 isn't the miracle answer to everything.

Would quite agree But S2 is up there with the best