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How will you vote in the EU referendum?


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rufus the tiler

No passion in the remain camp........forget money for a sec and think what our grandads etc fought for and watched their mates fall for........we are close to giving away our democratic rights and letting second rate britain hating EU presidents making our critical decisions ie joint EU army which they are planning to announce after the referendum result (apparently but i tend to believe)....we owe it to our kids to do the right thing and save their country.......VOTE OUT MY TILER FRIENDS.;)
 

Rich Midge

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For me the leave campaign is focusing on people's fear of immigration and refugees (two completely different things but spun as the same by a right wing media). I cannot stand Cameron and it's going to kill me to vote on a subject the same way as him, but we're not voting for people here we're voting for an ideal. I'm in Liverpool, without EU money we'd have been "managed to decline" to paraphrase Maggie. We're thriving in comparison to 20 years ago. My wife is a doctor at Alderhey, she's largely funded by EU money. The new hospital was built with EU money as is the new centre of research for childhood diseases. The new Mersey crossing majority funded by EU. Manchester after the IRA bombings rebuilt with EU money (2.5billion compared to pennies from our own government). People say the money saved by leaving will save the NHS. Bo!!ocks. Boris has previously campaigned to privatise, Michael Gove wanted it paid by insurance like the wholly unfair American system and Iain Duncan Smith cut, cut and cut again money to the country's poorest, it used to be called welfare now it's benefits. When you look at the people and organisations that are in favour of remain and compare that to those who favour leave I find it truly terrifying. Trump, Farage, BNP, EDL, Boris, Murdoch, everyone of them right wing power crazed lunatics. Whole campaign for me is based on racist xenophobia.
 
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For me the leave campaign is focusing on people's fear of immigration and refugees (two completely different things but spun as the same by a right wing media). I cannot stand Cameron and it's going to kill me to vote on a subject the same way as him, but we're not voting for people here we're voting for an ideal. I'm in Liverpool, without EU money we'd have been "managed to decline" to paraphrase Maggie. We're thriving in comparison to 20 years ago. My wife is a doctor at Alderhey, she's largely funded by EU money. The new hospital was built with EU money as is the new centre of research for childhood diseases. The new Mersey crossing majority funded by EU. Manchester after the IRA bombings rebuilt with EU money (2.5billion compared to pennies from our own government). People say the money saved by leaving will save the NHS. Bo!!ocks. Boris has previously campaigned to privatise, Michael Gove wanted it paid by insurance like the wholly unfair American system and Iain Duncan Smith cut, cut and cut again money to the country's poorest, it used to be called welfare now it's benefits. When you look at the people and organisations that are in favour of remain and compare that to those who favour leave I find it truly terrifying. Trump, Farage, BNP, EDL, Boris, Murdoch, everyone of them right wing power crazed lunatics. Whole campaign for me is based on racist xenophobia.

Read your own post back to yourself aloud. Then think for a moment and ask yourself which statement is more a campaign of Fear. The choice of chosing who enters our country or your rant above that accused the leave campaign of racism? Then ask yourself where the "EU money" that supported the NHS came from to start with.

I'm more inclined to trust business people than any politician and what I see are solid British businesses such as JCB and Dyson, two of the largest UK manufacturers backing BREXIT.

Look at the pro stay companies, they are predominantly non British multi nationals that benefit from cross border tax breaks by UK staying part of the EU.

It's a shame the media has focused on the immigration portion of the leave campaign alone as there are some very sound taxation and business reasons behind a potential exit also.

To start with we'd be free to impose whatever taxation we like on Google, Starbucks and other multinationals that currently "choose" to pay no tax here by taking advantage of EU laws and international tax laws.

Cafe Nero for example haven't paid a single penny in Corporation Tax for 10 years as a result of this. This alone pisses me off as I paid £120K last year in taxes.

I also feel the use of the word "control" with reference to the immigration issue is counter productive. The reality is give the UK "Choice" of who enters, not only EU citizens that (should the UK leave the EU) would still have every right to apply to enter as any other person from any other country on the planet, they'd simply have to demonstrate they had a job to come to, were an asset to the UK and didn't have a criminal history.

Imagine how many well qualified staff this would give the NHS access to from the hundreds of countries currently outside the EU that are currently prevented from entering to work here due to our agreements with the EU and our necessity to have tighter worldwide borders due to having to deal with uncontrolled volumes of migration from mainland Europe. It simply isn't sustainable.

The idea that the vote to leave is based on any form of "Racism" is militant left wing clap trap and seems to become the default "insult" thrown at any opportunity whatsoever.
 

Rich Midge

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Read your own post back to yourself aloud. Then think for a moment and ask yourself which statement is more a campaign of Fear. The choice of chosing who enters our country or your rant above that accused the leave campaign of racism? Then ask yourself where the "EU money" that supported the NHS came from to start with.

I'm more inclined to trust business people than any politician and what I see are solid British businesses such as JCB and Dyson, two of the largest UK manufacturers backing BREXIT.

Look at the pro stay companies, they are predominantly non British multi nationals that benefit from cross border tax breaks by UK staying part of the EU.

It's a shame the media has focused on the immigration portion of the leave campaign alone as there are some very sound taxation and business reasons behind a potential exit also.

To start with we'd be free to impose whatever taxation we like on Google, Starbucks and other multinationals that currently "choose" to pay no tax here by taking advantage of EU laws and international tax laws.

Cafe Nero for example haven't paid a single penny in Corporation Tax for 10 years as a result of this. This alone pisses me off as I paid £120K last year in taxes.

I also feel the use of the word "control" with reference to the immigration issue is counter productive. The reality is give the UK "Choice" of who enters, not only EU citizens that (should the UK leave the EU) would still have every right to apply to enter as any other person from any other country on the planet, they'd simply have to demonstrate they had a job to come to, were an asset to the UK and didn't have a criminal history.

Imagine how many well qualified staff this would give the NHS access to from the hundreds of countries currently outside the EU that are currently prevented from entering to work here due to our agreements with the EU and our necessity to have tighter worldwide borders due to having to deal with uncontrolled volumes of migration from mainland Europe. It simply isn't sustainable.

The idea that the vote to leave is based on any form of "Racism" is militant left wing clap trap and seems to become the default "insult" thrown at any opportunity whatsoever.
Respectfully I disagree. The likes of BNP, EDL, even UKIP are inherently racist. I cannot comment on the tax issues you raised as in all honesty I simply don't know enough about the subject. I cannot put any faith in a campaign backed by those previously mentioned and the right wing press such as The S*n. Surely even if we leave the EU when trading with other European countries we'll be subject to European law. With regards to where the money comes from to begin with, I am well aware how much Britain contributes, but it's too a greater good. Given how my city (and my family personally) has benefited from EU membership I simply cannot give my vote to a campaign that could take that all away.
 
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J Sid

@Rich Midge at least if we come out you will be able to vote for a government that has the power to keep giving you city money. If we stay in your hopes of more money for your city rest on the whims of unelected Brussel bureaucrats
 
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rufus the tiler

For me the leave campaign is focusing on people's fear of immigration and refugees (two completely different things but spun as the same by a right wing media). I cannot stand Cameron and it's going to kill me to vote on a subject the same way as him, but we're not voting for people here we're voting for an ideal. I'm in Liverpool, without EU money we'd have been "managed to decline" to paraphrase Maggie. We're thriving in comparison to 20 years ago. My wife is a doctor at Alderhey, she's largely funded by EU money. The new hospital was built with EU money as is the new centre of research for childhood diseases. The new Mersey crossing majority funded by EU. Manchester after the IRA bombings rebuilt with EU money (2.5billion compared to pennies from our own government). People say the money saved by leaving will save the NHS. Bo!!ocks. Boris has previously campaigned to privatise, Michael Gove wanted it paid by insurance like the wholly unfair American system and Iain Duncan Smith cut, cut and cut again money to the country's poorest, it used to be called welfare now it's benefits. When you look at the people and organisations that are in favour of remain and compare that to those who favour leave I find it truly terrifying. Trump, Farage, BNP, EDL, Boris, Murdoch, everyone of them right wing power crazed lunatics. Whole campaign for me is based on racist xenophobia.
money money money money......GREAT BRITAIN NEEDS SAVING......,.fear of immigrants is a big enough excuse to leave by itself for many reasons.......when thickos call me a racist(which i aint) i give the example of crimewatchs top 10 most wanted from 20 years ago and the the top 10 nowadays.....its a bbc programme and we all know how left wing they are.......its majority foreign names nowadays.....Priorities people ...we need to VOTE OUT.
 

Rich Midge

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money money money money......GREAT BRITAIN NEEDS SAVING......,.fear of immigrants is a big enough excuse to leave by itself for many reasons.......when thickos call me a racist(which i aint) i give the example of crimewatchs top 10 most wanted from 20 years ago and the the top 10 nowadays.....its a bbc programme and we all know how left wing they are.......its majority foreign names nowadays.....Priorities people ...we need to VOTE OUT.
Why such a fear of immigrants? The NHS would have collapsed years ago without it's migrant workers. My in laws are Irish immigrants and faced the same prejudices when they first moved "no blacks, no Irish". I've family members, tilers, who worked in Germany and Holland when times were bad here because they had too and because they could. I myself have worked in France, not because i particularly wanted too but because it was the best option for myself and my family at the time, possible because of EU membership. Also what's a foreign name? If you're not a Smith you're a foreigner?
 
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J Sid

it's not fear of immigration, it's fear of UNCONTROLLED immigration. Yes we do need immigrates, but we need to control who we let in to keep, yes NHS amount other, working.
We have NO control as it stands now.
 

Rich Midge

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We have as much control as any other EU country and take in less than some and more than others. I think this is where some people get confused with immigrants and refugees. Refugees are simply that. People in need of refuge often from war torn countries outside of the EU. Would I pick my kids up and flee in their situation, yes without question. I wholeheartedly agree we need more control but I think that can be achieved through EU membership, immigration is seemingly an issue in many European countries. As regards the BBC, isn't it funny that those of us with left leanings see them as a right leaning institute and the right see them as left. The Beeb's reporting of the junior doctors dispute for example was completely inaccurate and just followed the government line.
 

Ajax123

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so is the referendum all about immigration then??? I thought there was a lot more to it. Net migration into the UK is actually not a big deal in terms of the cost. I think there are surely far bigger things to debate and far bigger issues that have been caused by incompetent government and poor cost control and abysmal central management such as the NHS, local and national ecology, the housing crisis etc. thee are British problems, not european ones. Where I live without the immigrant population you would have not food on the table, no one to wash our car, no one to clean your streets etc cos the bloody lazy arsed xenophobic bigoted brits dont want to do those jobs. They would rather sit on their backsides smoking weed and filming britain on benefits. For crying out loud, get a grip.
 

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