Levelling clips are a load of tosh? Really?

[LM]

I’ve had arguments with ‘tilers’ who tell me that levelling clips are a gimmick and they’re not needed. Well look what happened to some plonker who said this to me. The floor without the clips is obvious and by pure coincidence I finished one yesterday were clips were used. I got a call by a plumber friend asking me to quote to finish the job that the ‘tiler’ who wouldn’t use clips got threw off, so I visited site yesterday to find this

 

[Brian the Tile]

Only a few using them ,come on guys get with the times move on ,i could have laid a 15 mtr floor the time that fella explaind all that been payed gone home and had my tea,but he had to explain properly for all us that dont know anything,listen i dont come on here to fall out with folk and i think after 40 odd years in the trade i think i may know a little and a little respect wouldnt go a miss,that american fella is probrably a very rich man now and doesnt need to fix another tile theese new fangle bits cant work miracles,maybe the tile maufaturers need to spend and make the tiles flat that woul be nice for us and the customers

 

[Brian the Tile]

Next thing you know everyone will be telling me you cant tile on tile and you cant tile on ply

 

[hmtiling]

Only a few using them ,come on guys get with the times move on ,i could have laid a 15 mtr floor the time that fella explaind all that been payed gone home and had my tea,but he had to explain properly for all us that dont know anything,listen i dont come on here to fall out with folk and i think after 40 odd years in the trade i think i may know a little and a little respect wouldnt go a miss,that american fella is probrably a very rich man now and doesnt need to fix another tile theese new fangle bits cant work miracles,maybe the tile maufaturers need to spend and make the tiles flat that woul be nice for us and the customers

I think you'd get a little more respect if you knew what you were talking about Brian. 40 years or 6 months in, if you are wrong then you're wrong and you are wrong

 

[Brian the Tile]

Believe me being in the trade for so long ive heard allsorts of c..p where so called tilers try to con customers into certain things, if that is keeping up with the times well ill stay behind thanks and do things that i know from old,dont think anyone on this site will agree but to me experience counts for a lot and whatever anyone says you will never ta

 

[Brian the Tile]

I think you'd get a little more respect if you knew what you were talking about Brian. 40 years or 6 months in, if you are wrong then you're wrong and you are wrong

Here we go ,i would sooner listen to someone with experience than someone with nonas a matter of intrest which corse did you go on

 

[hmtiling]

Believe me being in the trade for so long ive heard allsorts of c..p where so called tilers try to con customers into certain things, if that is keeping up with the times well ill stay behind thanks and do things that i know from old,dont think anyone on this site will agree but to me experience counts for a lot and whatever anyone says you will never ta

You're sayn using clips is conning people?

 

[Flintstone]

Tiling for 40 years and stuck in a rut with 40 year old methods.

 

[hmtiling]

Here we go ,i would sooner listen to someone with experience than someone with non

So you've been stubbing toes 18 years longer than me Brian

 

[Brian the Tile]

You're sayn using clips is conning people?

Did i say that?

 

[hmtiling]

where so called tilers try to con customers
?

 

[Brian the Tile]

Tiling for 40 years and stuck in a rut with 40 year old methods.

Dont think im in any rut at all my friend

 

[Brian the Tile]

where so called tilers try to con customers
?

Did i mention clips in that post?

 

[Brian the Tile]

End of, you do your work your way and ill do my work my way

 

[hmtiling]

Did i mention clips in that post?

Then what was the relevance Brian!?
I remember a discussion similar to this with @Tom Astley a while back and he was of a similar mind. Tom now uses these clips Brian as most tilers on here do with planks and bowed stuff. Why not give them a try?

 

[Brian the Tile]

The relevance is no clips where mentioned in that post,but as i said over the years ive heard it all,instead of spending your time slating me why not try the tile companys who are making theese bowed tiles then you may not even need the clips and you would be able to make more money

 

[Spare Tool]

The way I read that post your calling us con men, well personally I think its you conning your customers telling them they've bought bent tiles and you'll do your best with them but they won't be perfect but its there fault for buying the tiles when there's a product out there for a few pennies that will sort it
Over the 40 years don't try and tell me youve never folded a bit of card up or jammed a spacer under the corner of a tile just to get that last mill adjustment, well there's now a magical product that can do this for you, oh and if you say no then sorry but I don't believe you

 

[Brian the Tile]

Andy i never mentioned you or any names,its been a good debate would be better without the mud slinging,have a good week on the tiles guys hope you dont suffer to much with the bends keep them clips handy ,im out

 

[Andy Allen]

There’s no real fixed number to a floor Andy, esp planks, it can vary depending on quality. What I tend to do is buy 2000 and divide cost over next few jobs by adding what I think I can get away with to cover cost of whole purchase. Probably a simpler way I’d say. Adding per m2 can look expensive to clients if you’re giving meterage rates, where loosing £50 is much simpler.

How much does 2.000 cost...... And roughly how many square meters would it do......... Average size tile..... Not them bloody massive things you fit...

 

[Spare Tool]

The ones I get off ebay are £80 for 2000, just done a 36m floor in 600's and used about 4/500 so about £20's worth, they will go on the bill with other mats

 

[Brian the Tile]

The ones I get off ebay are £80 for 2000, just done a 36m floor in 600's and used about 4/500 so about £20's worth, they will go on the bill with other mats

Andy do you give the price to the customer including clips before you start the job?sorry meaning are they included in your price

 

[On one]

I'm yet to take the plunge into levelling clips.......I can understand where they might bend 1200mm planks......but could they bend 600mm x400mm porcelain in brick bond flat?...... a scenario I had last week where the customer wanted brick bond but the tiles did not agree!

 

[Flintstone]

 

[Flintstone]

Genesis ones are about £20 for 200

 

[Spare Tool]

Andy do you give the price to the customer including clips before you start the job?sorry meaning are they included in your price

Not given a fixed price for years, everything's an estimate with me, dayrate plus mats, just tot up everything at the end, customers usually ask what they do and after explaining the benefits they just pay, not had a quibble about £20 or whatever for them on an invoice up to now..

 

[Spare Tool]

Genesis ones are about £20 for 200

Ouch!!

 

[Brian the Tile]

Not given a fixed price for years, everything's an estimate with me, dayrate plus mats, just tot up everything at the end, customers usually ask what they do and after explaining the benefits they just pay, not had a quibble about £20 or whatever for them on an invoice up to now..

So say i have a fifteen mtr floor to tile just 600 ×300 brick style from b&q any idea how much please the floor may need a couple of bags of leveler first

 

[martin1c]

I've been using them for ages. I add the cost of them to the job but have never discussed it with a customer.... It's not an option as far as I'm concerned. Virtually every customer I've had has been really impressed by the clips.

I am also absolutely sure that they do speed up workflow and I'd recommend them to anyone

 

[Spare Tool]

So say i have a fifteen mtr floor to tile just 600 ×300 brick style from b&q any idea how much please the floor may need a couple of bags of leveler first

What you asking for a full estimate or in clips?

 

[Brian the Tile]

What you asking for a full estimate or in clips?

Full

 

[Spare Tool]

Full

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