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Discuss Levelling clips are a load of tosh? Really? in the Tiling Forum area at TilersForums.co.uk.

  1. LEE MAC

    LEE MAC Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

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    F06F665B-3F88-4667-A139-275E8CFE92EA.jpeg 59613AC0-A8BB-42B7-9228-8F2EF54D483D.jpeg 54270025-4366-421F-8F8F-E924FB1DB1B2.jpeg F84658FD-DFA0-445B-B669-F57029C84B39.jpeg 9E6CE6E8-9C1C-481B-9070-DCF9466CF10D.jpeg I’ve had arguments with ‘tilers’ who tell me that levelling clips are a gimmick and they’re not needed. Well look what happened to some plonker who said this to me. The floor without the clips is obvious and by pure coincidence I finished one yesterday were clips were used. I got a call by a plumber friend asking me to quote to finish the job that the ‘tiler’ who wouldn’t use clips got threw off, so I visited site yesterday to find this :eek:
     
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  2. antonio

    antonio Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

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    It is from 2011, which I discuss with tiler
    for this reason.
    now I have surrendered .....
    lee, do you still want to bring me into these discussions?
     
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  3. LEE MAC

    LEE MAC Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

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    Always Value your knowledge Antonio.
     
  4. antonio

    antonio Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

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    I have to take a pill before.
     
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  5. BILL HOLDER

    BILL HOLDER Active Member

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  6. BILL HOLDER

    BILL HOLDER Active Member

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    This is the results

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  7. Brian the Tile

    Brian the Tile Professional Tiler

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    north wales
    No leveling clips and spacers will ever make a bad bowed tile look good on any floor
     
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  8. Localtiler

    Localtiler Professional Tiler Top Contributor

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    If it’s a good floor and bowed planks, they will make them look good and straighten them out Brian
     
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  9. Plan Tec Tiling

    Plan Tec Tiling Administrator Staff Member Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

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    I have to say that I have yet to find a bowed tile that hasn't benefited from levelling clips
     
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  10. Brian the Tile

    Brian the Tile Professional Tiler

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    How can you make a bowed tile make a flat floof ,impossible,we all know there are alot of rubbish tiles out there and a lot of customers buy them ,no clips whatsoever will make them flat
     
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  11. Localtiler

    Localtiler Professional Tiler Top Contributor

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    You can Brian.
     
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  12. Brian the Tile

    Brian the Tile Professional Tiler

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    Well im sorry can you explain how i must be missing something
     
  13. Tom Astley

    Tom Astley Professional Tiler

    I tiled a floor in similar planks without clips - no lips.

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  14. Brian the Tile

    Brian the Tile Professional Tiler

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    Decent tiles Tom?
     
  15. Tom Astley

    Tom Astley Professional Tiler

    by the way, with planks, I always use clips now....it is quicker to get the perfection I need.
     
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  16. Tom Astley

    Tom Astley Professional Tiler

    no, they were bowed but I am old school and I knew how to sort it....but it took longer to do so. There is the difference. I am quick at laying floor tiles but clips make a flat /lip free floor quicker.
     
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  17. Brian the Tile

    Brian the Tile Professional Tiler

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    north wales
    Nice to have perfection Tom yes and im school also been tiling now forty odd years and still cant get how you get a bent tile (lets just say planks for instance) to make a floor without slight lipage there are no clips in the world that can make a bent tile flat,i can make them accseptible and always point out bad tiles to my customers before i will fix them after all my name is Brian not Jesus
     
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  18. Plan Tec Tiling

    Plan Tec Tiling Administrator Staff Member Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

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    Some planks are good quality, others not.
    Personally I like to use clips even if there is a minor bow in them. Last year I did a large plank floor job using Mandarin Stone planks. Great quality tiles but roughly 20% had a slight bow on one end. The whole floor was laid using 1.5mm Raimondi clips in random bond and in the end was dead flat. Without them the floor would have had lips galore

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  19. Tom Astley

    Tom Astley Professional Tiler

    Clips work Brian, try them.

    Unfortunately, tiles ain't what they used to be and the manufacturers know they can get away with poor quality tiles.
     
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  20. Andystiletiling

    Andystiletiling Professional Tiler

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    Burnley
    Brian, clips will bend a bowed tile and hold it in place untill the adhesive sets, recently done a swimming pool surround in 1200 planks and not only did the clips get the floor lip free they also allowed me to gently bend a gentle three way fall towards the pool with no envelope cuts, as Tom says try them you'll be surprised
     
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  21. Brian the Tile

    Brian the Tile Professional Tiler

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    So now im being told that theese magic clips will bend the tiles,look ive only been tiling forty odd years i will stand at the side of any tiler worth his salt and make as good a job as he as quick as any tiler on this site or any other but the one thing i cannot do is make bowed tiles flat so for that reason im out
     
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  22. Localtiler

    Localtiler Professional Tiler Top Contributor

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    Brian, keep with the times mate rather than arguing with people that have done it. It’s well known that clips are the only real way to get lips out of bowed long planks, and other bowed tiles.
     
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  23. Localtiler

    Localtiler Professional Tiler Top Contributor

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  24. Andy Allen

    Andy Allen Metro specialist & forum entertainer! Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

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    Although I've never used them I'm impressed with the finish that can be achieved with them.
    Do you charge to fit them?
    If so how much would they increase the price on say a 40 to 50 meter job?
     
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  25. Localtiler

    Localtiler Professional Tiler Top Contributor

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    Andy I’ve only started using them this year and only with certain tiles and certain jobs and I assure you and anybody they will give a superior finish. On a floor of 50m, they will not slow you down, probably Speed you up as less time adjusting tiles. Price of products totally varies.
     
  26. antonio

    antonio Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

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    bad very bad.
    only 2 tilers for now ....
    It was so nice when I was alone to use clips
     
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  27. 3_fall

    3_fall Administrator. Staff Member Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

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    There’s no real fixed number to a floor Andy, esp planks, it can vary depending on quality. What I tend to do is buy 2000 and divide cost over next few jobs by adding what I think I can get away with to cover cost of whole purchase. Probably a simpler way I’d say. Adding per m2 can look expensive to clients if you’re giving meterage rates, where loosing £50 is much simpler.
     
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  28. Plan Tec Tiling

    Plan Tec Tiling Administrator Staff Member Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

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    I just add onto the job the cost of the clips. Have yet to find a customer who doesn't want to pay it. To be fair they don't get a say! It's only because it's cheaper for me to use the clips then employ a professional tiler :D ;)
     
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  29. 3_fall

    3_fall Administrator. Staff Member Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

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    You were never alone Antonio, people just didn’t admit to it! Haha
     
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  30. Andystiletiling

    Andystiletiling Professional Tiler

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    Where anywhere has anyone questioned your experience or fixing capabilities.
    Next time you get a bowed plank Brian try putting them face to face and squeeze both ends, the planks will bend flat.. no?? Well thats what the clips do and hold till adhesive sets, there not magic, no hocus pocus going on!!
     
  31. Brian the Tile

    Brian the Tile Professional Tiler

    Location:
    north wales
    Only a few using them ,come on guys get with the times move on ,i could have laid a 15 mtr floor the time that fella explaind all that been payed gone home and had my tea,but he had to explain properly for all us that dont know anything,listen i dont come on here to fall out with folk and i think after 40 odd years in the trade i think i may know a little and a little respect wouldnt go a miss,that american fella is probrably a very rich man now and doesnt need to fix another tile theese new fangle bits cant work miracles,maybe the tile maufaturers need to spend and make the tiles flat that woul be nice for us and the customers
     
  32. Brian the Tile

    Brian the Tile Professional Tiler

    Location:
    north wales
    Next thing you know everyone will be telling me you cant tile on tile and you cant tile on ply
     
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  33. hmtiling

    hmtiling Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner

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    I think you'd get a little more respect if you knew what you were talking about Brian. 40 years or 6 months in, if you are wrong then you're wrong and you are wrong
     
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  34. Brian the Tile

    Brian the Tile Professional Tiler

    Location:
    north wales
    Believe me being in the trade for so long ive heard allsorts of c..p where so called tilers try to con customers into certain things, if that is keeping up with the times well ill stay behind thanks and do things that i know from old,dont think anyone on this site will agree but to me experience counts for a lot and whatever anyone says you will never ta
     
  35. Brian the Tile

    Brian the Tile Professional Tiler

    Location:
    north wales
    Here we go ,i would sooner listen to someone with experience than someone with nonas a matter of intrest which corse did you go on
     
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