Mosaic Borders/bands

[LM]

I was wondering what way would you guys would price splash back panels behind sinks that stop approx 250mm from the floor and ceiling, which consist of 300x600 tiles on their side with a band of thinner mosaics which need to be screeded flush obviously with the tile, either side and the whole lot trimmed with L shape aluminium trim and then above the bath wall again 300x600 on their side but with two vertical bands of mosaic again screeded flush. All work on building sites multiple units? Any input will be appreciated, thanks.

 

[LM]

Sorry Ive just realised you guys call it "Dog tooth" not screeded

 

[Ian]

I'd do it by the hour, you'll need to work out how long one will take first though

 

[LM]

To be honest I can easily do one of the sink panels in an hour, which to me would mean I wouldn't be charging the builder enough for what they'd be getting

 

[LM]

I'd do it by the hour, you'll need to work out how long one will take first though

How much do you charge per hour Bri?

 

[Ian]

How much do you charge per hour Bri?

Anywhere between £20-£25, depending on tile type and distance from home.

 

[SJPurdy]

To be honest I can easily do one of the sink panels in an hour, which to me would mean I wouldn't be charging the builder enough for what they'd be getting

Is that true in practice though?
You put up the column of 600 x 300 tiles (easy) (include drilling for pipes?)
Then fix trim in position,
then screed between trim and fixed tiles to leave thickness of mosaic and thin bed of adhesive;
Then wait for that adhesive to set!!!
Then fix mosaic;
Then when that has set grout it.

Ok if there are several ready to be done and you can flit between them, doing different stages, so you have constant work.

 

[Spare Tool]

Would it not be easier to use a mosaic mesh backing sheet, cost more overall than dog tooth method but much less faff..

 

[LM]

Is that true in practice though?
You put up the column of 600 x 300 tiles (easy) (include drilling for pipes?)
Then fix trim in position,
then screed between trim and fixed tiles to leave thickness of mosaic and thin bed of adhesive;
Then wait for that adhesive to set!!!
Then fix mosaic;
Then when that has set grout it.

Ok if there are several ready to be done and you can flit between them, doing different stages, so you have constant work.

I don't wait for the adhesive to set before fitting the mosaic, I screed or "dog tooth" to a depth that allows the mosaic to be patted into the adhesive, which is a tight mix, although just wet enough to still have transfer onto the sheets of mosaic, but stiff enough to hold the weight , which to be honest isn't that much. Then if I'm honest I don't get the grouting done in that application, I carry on with other work in the house and come back to the grouting at a later stage, but the grouting of a panel only takes about five minutes anyway. I spread a bit of adhesive to the back of the trim and hold them in position with a pin at the outer edge of each corner and a couple down the length and remove them before grouting, incase you where wondering how I managed to dog tooth with trim that hasn't set.

 

[LM]

Would it not be easier to use a mosaic mesh backing sheet, cost more overall than dog tooth method but much less faff..

I find the way I do it is quick and efficient and you still have to screed a certain depth for the mosaic and plastic sheet anyway, I'm very satisfied with the final product that I leave, it's a solid job that looks spot on every time, I'm just wondering if I'm charging the same as what you guys would charge for a similar end product. Other guys I know can take up to two hours, or if their leaving the bed for the dog tooth to dry, even longer to do the same job as me, I've just got my procedure down to a tee.

 

[hmtiling]

£60 a pop!

 

[LM]

£60 a pop!

I was at £65 so not that far off then

 

[hmtiling]

cash

 

[LM]

What about mosaic borders set into the main field per linear metre?
I don't charge any extra at the minute for that , but I'm bound to be doing myself in?

 

[LM]

cash

No That was for builders so deductions to come from that

 

[hmtiling]

£52 for an hour after tax is good as long as you've got plenty of other stuff to do in the same unit. The builder is getting a good deal too.

 

[LM]

£52 for an hour after tax is good as long as you've got plenty of other stuff to do in the same unit. The builder is getting a good deal too.

You know yourself that you've gotta take the rough with the smooth on sites and it's not always so easy to earn quick money, most of the time you have to seriously knock your plumbs in and put up with all sorts of obstacles, but I just wanted a measuring stick to gauge against for the one

 

[Italy]

cash

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[hmtiling]

I absolutely hate site work and wouldn't contemplate it unless it was seriously good money. Have done my fair share and know exactly what you mean. If you're subbing direct for the main contractor i don't think they'd bat an eyelid at £100 each. Reassuringly expensive is my motto

 

[LM]

£80 for an hours work sounds good to me, no so regretting leaving school at that rate lol

 

[Old Mod]

I was wondering what way would you guys would price splash back panels behind sinks that stop approx 250mm from the floor and ceiling, which consist of 300x600 tiles on their side with a band of thinner mosaics which need to be screeded flush obviously with the tile, either side and the whole lot trimmed with L shape aluminium trim and then above the bath wall again 300x600 on their side but with two vertical bands of mosaic again screeded flush. All work on building sites multiple units? Any input will be appreciated, thanks.

So how did u end up pricing this Lee?

 

[bcd-87]

I don't wait for the adhesive to set before fitting the mosaic, I screed or "dog tooth" to a depth that allows the mosaic to be patted into the adhesive, which is a tight mix, although just wet enough to still have transfer onto the sheets of mosaic, but stiff enough to hold the weight , which to be honest isn't that much. Then if I'm honest I don't get the grouting done in that application, I carry on with other work in the house and come back to the grouting at a later stage, but the grouting of a panel only takes about five minutes anyway. I spread a bit of adhesive to the back of the trim and hold them in position with a pin at the outer edge of each corner and a couple down the length and remove them before grouting, incase you where wondering how I managed to dog tooth with trim that hasn't set.

Get a hot glue gun mate, They stick all trims first time

 

[LM]

So how did u end up pricing this Lee?

Hi Marc, as your aware over here we wouldn't get the same rates here as you guys would get over there from builders anyhow. The way I broke it down was £65 for a panel behind a sink and £20 per vertical border on top of the main field rate for above baths or shower trays etc. I was just keen to find out if I was far off the mark compared to what you guys would charge

 

[Old Mod]

Hi Marc, as your aware over here we wouldn't get the same rates here as you guys would get over there from builders anyhow. The way I broke it down was £65 for a panel behind a sink and £20 per vertical border on top of the main field rate for above baths or shower trays etc. I was just keen to find out if I was far off the mark compared to what you guys would charge

Thing is, everything is relative, and as long as it pays you enough for what you need, then it's the right price!
Personally, I was just looking for a thread to bump! Haha