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  1. Sibhs85

    Sibhs85 Active Member

    Location:
    Newcastle
    Can someone help please - in desperate need of some advice. Got my wet room tiled and have been left with what they've told me is an envelope cut but when I googled envelope cut, they are all symmetrical and look aesthetically pleasing compared to mine in my opinion. Does this look like a shoddy job to you experienced people?

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  2. Chris Gibbs

    Chris Gibbs Professional Tiler Top Contributor

    Location:
    North wales
    drain in my opinion is in wrong place, shower screen is too short, and the cuts should be directed to the corner of the drain cover.
    cant understand why its been done like this...
     
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  3. Albert

    Albert Professional Tiler Top Contributor

    Location:
    Gateshead NE8, UK
    It is just wrong :confused:.
     
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  4. Sibhs85

    Sibhs85 Active Member

    Location:
    Newcastle
    Thanks so much for your reply. They said there's a joist running to the left hand side of the drain so it had to be in that position and when I asked about the cuts and why they didn't meet the corner of the drain and why one cut was longer than the other they said it was down to the tray. Feel like I've been had a bit because I know nothing about it but it just doesn't seem to look right to me.
     
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  5. impish

    impish Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler Top Contributor

    Location:
    Lancashire
    Drugs?
     
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  6. impish

    impish Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler Top Contributor

    Location:
    Lancashire
    Yes. Definitely "had" as you put it.
    They just didn't have a clue what they were doing with that I'm afraid.
     
  7. Chris Gibbs

    Chris Gibbs Professional Tiler Top Contributor

    Location:
    North wales
    if it doesn't look right, guess what... its not right. tiling is very much an aesthetics thing
     
  8. Albert

    Albert Professional Tiler Top Contributor

    Location:
    Gateshead NE8, UK
    Neoprene primer
     
  9. Sibhs85

    Sibhs85 Active Member

    Location:
    Newcastle
    Do you have any suggestions on how to fix this? Obviously the tiles would have to be lifted and replaced and if they were to leave the joist in the same place because of supposed joist - is it reasonable of me to expect cuts to be symmetrical and meet corners of drain?
     
  10. Sibhs85

    Sibhs85 Active Member

    Location:
    Newcastle
    I mean drain in the same place
     
  11. Sibhs85

    Sibhs85 Active Member

    Location:
    Newcastle
    They have told me the water wouldn't drain properly without the cuts done where they are
     
  12. Chris Gibbs

    Chris Gibbs Professional Tiler Top Contributor

    Location:
    North wales
    the joist could be cut and a trimmer fitted to support the joists. this woul enable the drain to be moved further to the wall... then you could retile to the drain corners and create the symmetry that the job deserves.
     
  13. Sibhs85

    Sibhs85 Active Member

    Location:
    Newcastle
    Joist being cut and trimmer fitted sounds like a big job (well in my naivety anyway) is it?
     
  14. Sibhs85

    Sibhs85 Active Member

    Location:
    Newcastle
    I knew I had been but they did their very best to talk me down with tiling jargon to stop me from questioning them
     
  15. Sibhs85

    Sibhs85 Active Member

    Location:
    Newcastle
    Sorry I'll leave you's to it! Thanks for the advice
     
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  16. impish

    impish Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler Top Contributor

    Location:
    Lancashire
    100% wrong. It won't drain correctly now precisely because of the way it's cut.
    If they can't get that bit right, I dread to think of the waterproofing!
    Aesthetics count, but in wet areas - correct preparation counts for more.
     
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  17. Sibhs85

    Sibhs85 Active Member

    Location:
    Newcastle
    Let's hope I get them to sort it so without costing me a fortune! Thanks
     
  18. Chris Gibbs

    Chris Gibbs Professional Tiler Top Contributor

    Location:
    North wales
    put one of these either side and pop the joist in-between. really simple. would enable you to place the drain in the right place then.

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  19. impish

    impish Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler Top Contributor

    Location:
    Lancashire
    I'm guessing it's an Impey tray with the swivel waste, so it's not important really where the waste lies. But the envelope cuts should meet on the drain corners, for aesthetics but also function. They were definitely under the influence of something when they did that one!
    As for lifting and replacing, they won't do it. It will take longer to do it right than it would have taken to do the whole floor in the first place.
    Unless you have leverage by not having paid the muppets?
     
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  20. Sibhs85

    Sibhs85 Active Member

    Location:
    Newcastle
    I only gave them 80% of the cost as suggested by bathroom company as they are contracted fitters until the manager of the company comes out to inspect it on Monday. Will still owe the company 3500 after that also so hoping that's enough leverage
     
  21. Chris Gibbs

    Chris Gibbs Professional Tiler Top Contributor

    Location:
    North wales
    good luck and stick to your guns
     
  22. callatiler

    callatiler Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

    Location:
    Aberdeen
    14k for everything?
     
  23. impish

    impish Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler Top Contributor

    Location:
    Lancashire
    Sounds like you could have a bit of leverage! Any sign of waterproofing before the tiles went down?
    I have seen worse this year. This photo just shows how some "tilers" just don't have the intelligence to either A) work it out B) ask for guidance C) read the instructions!

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  24. Sibhs85

    Sibhs85 Active Member

    Location:
    Newcastle
    Thanks for all of your advice. Going in to Monday feeling more armed now
    No. Owed the fitters 1600 so gave them 1280 and still owed the bathroom company 3500
     
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  25. pdc

    pdc Professional Tiler Top Contributor

    Do you have any photos of the job in progress? Before the tiles went down.
     
  26. timeless john

    timeless john Trusted Advisor Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

    Location:
    North East England
    The company provided the fitters to pay direct so don't pay the company the balance until they sort this situation out.
    You have enough in £3500 to get it done correct at this stage.
    But don't pay any more!!
     
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  27. Tilerbhoy

    Tilerbhoy Active Member

    Location:
    Edinburgh
    Forget about the position of the drain,the envelopes are shocking,matinee having OCD and living with that lol
     
  28. Sibhs85

    Sibhs85 Active Member

    Location:
    Newcastle
    What would so called water proofing look like??
     
  29. Localtiler

    Localtiler Professional Tiler Top Contributor

    Location:
    Yorkshire
    There's a few types of waterproofing, do you have any photos ?
     
  30. Sibhs85

    Sibhs85 Active Member

    Location:
    Newcastle
    Unfortunately not, only took a photo once the tiles were down
     
  31. cuemanlew

    cuemanlew Member of Tilers Forums

    Location:
    nottinghamshire
    Those envelopes are shocking, makes me wonder about the rest of the job, should have been tanked before the tiles went down. I notice a few mentioning the position of the drain, if its on a former then that might not be movable if its say a AKW former.
     
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  32. Chalker

    Chalker Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner

    Location:
    Tadcaster
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