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Hi guys, thanks for posting this vid.
This one has really confused me - the tiler was obviously half decent, knew enough to apply a tanking system in the shower (even though it's failed and we've isolated an area where it's leaking), also knew enough about UTH to fix Ditra mat and yet installed a thermostat inside the bathroom (unbelievable!!). The joints on the walls are excellent and for a polished 60x30cm it's very flat but the setting out is amateurish at best.
I just don't understand how someone who obviously has some talent for the craft can make such basic balls ups.
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The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP

Onlinetiler said:
Hi guys, thanks for posting this vid.
This one has really confused me - the tiler was obviously half decent, knew enough to apply a tanking system in the shower (even though it's failed and we've isolated an area where it's leaking), also knew enough about UTH to fix Ditra mat and yet installed a thermostat inside the bathroom (unbelievable!!). The joints on the walls are excellent and for a polished 60x30cm it's very flat but the setting out is amateurish at best.
I just don't understand how someone who obviously has some talent for the craft can make such basic balls ups.
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Hi mate, I take it you are not a fan of this wrap around method of setting out. What is wrong with good old centering walls, to give a pleasing effect. that job looked (pants) Who teaches this?:mad2:
 
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garythetiler said:
excellent blog :thumbsup: how did you come to the conclusion its thermal shock?
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Gary when the heating is commissioned, if it is not increased by no more than 5deg in any 24 hours, then held at optimum temp for 2 days. Then reduced again by no more than 5deg in any 24 hours, you risk thermal shock. You can tell if this is the problem, if the tile leaves the bed clean ( with just a sand paper feel of adhesive residue on the tile) then this is typical of thermal shock. As I said, I have been there:incazzato:
 
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Gary when the heating is commissioned, if it is not increased by no more than 5deg in any 24 hours, then held at optimum temp for 2 days. Then reduced again by no more than 5deg in any 24 hours, you risk thermal shock. You can tell if this is the problem, if the tile leaves the bed clean ( with just a sand paper feel of adhesive residue on the tile) then this is typical of thermal shock. As I said, I have been there:incazzato:
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I understand what thermal shock is and how its caused, its just the stress cracks are very similar with deflection, I noticed that the cracks followed the lines of the ufh and assumed that is how you decided it was thermal shock, I dont disagree with you ,i was just hoping that there was a bullet proof way of telling whether its deflection,thermal shock or under rated adhesive :thumbsup:
 
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garythetiler said:
thermal shock or deflection?
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Always hard to call, I have been told by some how easy it is to differentiate between thermal shock/ deflection/ lateral movement, from tile samples in a laboratory. But others are of the opinion that there are always gray areas, so how it would stand up in a court case I'm not sure:yikes: It's frightening.:incazzato:
 
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Best way it'd stand up in court is to prove if the floor has deflection, and then see how it was dealt with if it has. If it doesn't have any after lifting all the tiles, chances are, it'd be thermal shock.

Though the pics there show limited adhesive on the tile, the cracks seem to follow suit with the substrate which could suggest deflection perhaps? The tile must have cracked when the floor did. And as you say, the adhesive becomes loose with thermal shock, and although it could crack the tile, I don't think it'd follow the substrate quite so accurately.

Could be the beer talking. :drool5:
 
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here are some more pictures from a job I am writing a report on, my conclusion is the floor has failed due to inadequate floor construction ,no support peers under the suspended floor allowing deflection and the use of osb board as a substrate adding to the problems of bounce in the floor where the boards meet i can move the boards up and down from eachother ,there is ufh but thermal shock isnt the reason why this floor has failed but if I hadnt crawled under the floor and cut out all the adhesive how I tell? I agree with Adam's conclusion with regards to his job and thank him for posting it, I was just hoping that there is an easy way of knowing :thumbsup:
 
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garythetiler said:
excellent blog :thumbsup: how did you come to the conclusion its thermal shock?
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Hi Gary,
As Phil mentioned earlier there's that residue on the back of the tile, I did take the cracking along the lines of the wire as a sign as well and also took into account that the whole floor is delaminating - i only popped one tile off to take a look.

The big give away tho - I asked the client :lol:
 
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Dear Onlinetiler,

It's been 7 days now since my last fix and I'm not coping well with it. I seem to be checking your tumblr site nearly hourly in hope of my next fix. Though the fix is always small, it always keeps me going for at least three days. Perhaps you could sort something out for me and all the other addicts?
:yikes::lol::lol::lol:
 
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Here is the latest video if you haven't already seen it :thumbsup:
YouTube - Mon Aug16
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Stunner. He really can't help but rant! haha.

Somebody was lucky enough to dodge the stupid tax this time. I guess it should have been the plumber who got the stupid tax on this one but I can see why that wouldn't have been possible to apply. Fair enough.
 
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andy-p said:
Another top rant , i love this guy he nearly moans as much as me!! thing is every rant is what happens to us tilers all the time so we can empathise completely... :thumbsup:
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Too right!

I've left the thread in the main tiling forum to ensure potential customers get to see a bit of a tongue in cheek moan or two to help them see what we really need to deal with.
 
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