JOTM thread.

[DHTiling]

OK.. Some debate as to whether JOTM for the tilers arms members should be now aired in the main tiling forum.

Good points to doing this.

A: This should get a lot more entries.
B: More replies to the JOTM thread thus increasing stats.

Bad points:

Please ad any you think might spoil or hinder..?

I will also add a poll..

 

[Tenchman]

I think it would be good in the general forum as they could see what standards are set by members, =good point.

Bad points it is likely that the standard of entries would plummet as some of the newer tilers would submit work that is run of the mill.

I'm assuming that an entry is supposed to be not just what you are tiling that month but a job you believe will be appreciated by members.

 

[Daz]

I'm sorry but I fail to see any tangible benefit.
You are suggesting that amateur tilers pitch their work against professional entries?
Amateurs and general public vote on the jobs that they like (the shiniest and most complete designer shiny bathroom). No consideration is given to the technical complexity, setting out and execution of design as this is not understood by general public.

I think it is a great idea to get forum stats up, but bad idea if we wish to maintain JOTM credibility.

JOTM was conceived to highlight top quality tiling, to be judged by professional tilers. Voting and entries should be restricted to professional tilers to continue to promote excellent tiling.

Opening it up to the general public should be based on a view only thread which will serve to promote and educate.

 

[Time's Ran Out]

In the main forum sounds ok.
More interest, less clique and everyone will feel they have a chance (and a platform) to show their work.

 

[bootsmckiber]

After reading Captain Slows opinion I think he has a valid point so if possible I would retract my yes vote and vote no.

 

[Colour Republic]

I always thought it would be a good idea, although I thought even though you can view and vote in the main forums, entries should be limited to arms members only, which should entice the standard users to post more and become arms members. I'm sure some members think the 'arms' is just where members can sware, where in fact I think most of the knowledge base is.

But I didn't take this in to account...

Amateurs and general public vote on the jobs that they like (the shiniest and most complete designer shiny bathroom). No consideration is given to the technical complexity, setting out and execution of design as this is not understood by general public.

So maybe as cap'n says, make it view only in the main forums

 

[kilty55]

i thinhk captain slows idea is good,veiw only in the main forum but only arms members can enter,this would be a positive move for the forum imo

 

[DHTiling]

OK.. sorry about that.. i restarted the poll after mike made a wrong vote.

please vote again..

This is just a debate and deffo not something we will do if not wanted.

 

[White Room]

My view is you need good work to aspire to, so anyone starting up can see standards that they need to reach, myself included have been amazed at the quaility that some guys show.

To find fault is the easiest thing to find, not knowing the situation of how the job was conducted.

Open to the main forum and give everyone a chance but don't slaughter them for trying, just good advise to steer in the right direction.

 

[Time's Ran Out]

I lost 3 times to shiney floors before winning with my 4th entry.
If that's what's in vogue and the people voting like it that is in itself telling us something.
A nice shiney floor with lips and deflected lines isn't going to win and the skill in making them perfect is to be admired.
I do like your idea for voting and viewing only.

 

[Tenchman]

I agree post for view only in general keep it for pro entries only that way as Capn Slow says we can then get aspirations up for up & coming and won't be swamped with shiny tile bathrooms.:hurray:

 

[DHTiling]

To make it view only in the main forums then ALL entries must come from a users albums in his/her profiles.

If an entry is made via attachents in the tilers arms then it can not be viewed outside of the arms as the pic will keep linking back to the jotm thread in the arms if you get what i mean, thus the user will get the error message if they do not have access to the arms..

So not as straight forward that way.

 

[Colour Republic]

OK.. sorry about that.. i restarted the poll after mike made a wrong vote.

please vote again..

This is just a debate and deffo not something we will do if not wanted.

Did you change the question too Dave?

"Do you think JOTM thread should be aired in the main forums?"

if aired means just viewing then yes from me

 

[Daz]

Mark, we have already agreed that "constructive advise" is not permitted in JOTM. How do you provide "good advise to steer in the right direction" without contradicting forum rules?

 

[DHTiling]

Yes rob.. moved.. i shall change it..:smilewinkgrin:

 

[tommyzooom]

I am extremely proud of my "Winners badge" and wouldn't like to see it devalued by opening it up to all and sundry. However I would like to see each months winning entry given a small write up in the main forum, including the pictures so everyone gets a feel for the high standards needed to win.

 

[Colour Republic]

Not a bad idea either Tommy

 

[bootsmckiber]

Sorry Dave,I didn't mean to cause such a commotion,lucky for me I'm on this side of the pond eh?

 

[Dave Ramsden]

It could act as an easy measure for prospective customers to view tilers work!?

 

[user123]

Reading all the posts my view settled on showing the results in the main forum only, so I'm with Tommy on that, but perhaps not just the winner but the top three entries, so that the variety of styles and jobs is shown. This could be really inspiring to everyone...and give the 2nd and 3rd place well deserved credit, too..:hurray:

 

[DHTiling]

I am extremely proud of my "Winners badge" and wouldn't like to see it devalued by opening it up to all and sundry. However I would like to see each months winning entry given a small write up in the main forum, including the pictures so everyone gets a feel for the high standards needed to win.

Like i said on page 1 of this thread, we cannot put pics into a thread in the main forum if it is posted in the arms via attachments, as th en a viewer will need access to the arms to see them.


So to do this then ALL entries pics must be submitted from their albums and the pics must be publicly viewable.

This is why we have not been able to do this so far..

Are you all able or know how to load pics to an album in your profiles..?

 

[DHTiling]

You are suggesting that amateur tilers pitch their work against professional entries?

Daz.. how do you know as a tiler that all entries are from pro tilers or amateurs ..?

Just because a member who entered is in the arms , this does not say they are pro's or amateurs..

Can you define what counts as being a pro please.. and what counts as being an amateur..?

 

[The D]

Like i said on page 1 of this thread, we cannot put pics into a thread in the main forum if it is posted in the arms via attachments, as th en a viewer will need access to the arms to see them.


So to do this then ALL entries pics must be submitted from their albums and the pics must be publicly viewable.

This is why we have not been able to do this so far..

Are you all able or know how to load pics to an album in your profiles..?

if you load pics form an album and your album becomes full when you delete the pic in the album that will also remove the JOTM pics or am i wrong?

 

[DHTiling]

Yes.. but we can increase album allowance..

 

[mikethetile]

open it up to all members and let all members vote

some of the tiling by non arms members has been exceptional for an amatuer

whats it matter if a less experianced tiler wants to enter their work. why are we being so precious about this , the idea is we encourage tilers to work to a high standard and want to be a part of this forum. the best way to do this is to give them an oppurtunity to jotm, if they know it will be seen by us it will encourage them to do their best work

 

[The D]

i say suck it and see.

 

[Spud]

main forum will be a positive but it would need a lot more control as there will be a lot of posting portfolio pictures

 

[White Room]

Mark, we have already agreed that "constructive advise" is not permitted in JOTM. How do you provide "good advise to steer in the right direction" without contradicting forum rules?

Fair comment mate but sometimes pointers can help to improve

 

[mikethetile]

its a good oppurtunity for those entering to be seen by potential customers

if someones come on here as they are not sure if they have a decent tiler they will be able to see what the job should look like

 

[Daz]

Daz.. how do you know as a tiler that all entries are from pro tilers or amateurs ..?

Just because a member who entered is in the arms , this does not say they are pro's or amateurs..

Can you define what counts as being a pro please.. and what counts as being an amateur..?

Okay, my view was that Arms members were tradespersons that are promoting tiling as one if their trades. I have made the assumption that Arms members understand the setting out procedure.

I have made the assumption that Arms members that choose to vote for JOTM are passionate about good setting out and good tiling practice as well as first class finish.

I see the General Forum as members that have not yet decided to apply for Arms access or that are genuine DIY'ers, the latter falling into the bracket of being here to find answers rather than offer answers.

I guess (in my mind) it's all about the criteria that the voter is looking at prior to offering their vote.