Fixing Loose Lay Cable System

[Two-Trowels]

Bloody mats, always springing up when you don't want them too despite staples and tape - you think you've got all the curly bits until you whack some SLC on and then up they come

So next time I'm going to try with loose laid cable - what are the preferred methods of holding the cable down until the SLC goes on?

The suppliers suggest using little bits of tape, far too fiddly for me, you tear a bit off and it sticks to everything and you then have to find the end on the roll again

Could it be stapled? ensuring that you didn't catch the cable of course, how about dabs of hot melt, any better ways?

 

[Tile seller]

The loose wire kits should come with a tape which you can stick the wire down with and measure the wire spacing.

Otherwise, maybe try a matting system like vario pro or ditra heat.
Depending on the area it can be alot more costly but easier to fit.

 

[Ian]

I fitted loose cable once and never again! It's so labour intensive compared to the mats. I always spread some rapid SPF over the mat prior to SLC, this way there are no problems with floaters.

 

[hmtiling]

Mats and a hot glue gun for me

 

[One Day]

 

[martin1c]

I never use the mats for the reason that yes, they do spring up all over the place. I always use loose wire now.

I use lengths of double sided sticky tape across the room at intervals which holds the wiring in place. Just to be in the safe side I then use the supplied warmup tape over the double sided tape. Word of warning though, avoid air pockets in the tape. I've heard that it can cause problems even though Warmup instructions actually tell you to tape all wires.

 

[J Sid]

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That clip things looks good, where you get it?

 

[Time's Ran Out]

Ditra heat is the way forward.

 

[One Day]

That clip things looks good, where you get it?

ezewarm. I've installed plenty of ditra heart e too. Love it but it's only worthwhile if you can save on time. If the floor needs leveling as this one did, then loose cables with wedi boards is far more cost effective.

 

[J Sid]

Would if it was better priced

 

[Stef]

ezewarm. I've installed plenty of ditra heart e too. Love it but it's only worthwhile if you can save on time. If the floor needs leveling as this one did, then loose cables with wedi boards is far more cost effective.

I use Ezewarm mats all the time, great service from Russel.
Are those boards Jackon from CTD m8?
I see you said wedi but I thought they looked like Jackon.

 

[One Day]

I use Ezewarm mats all the time, great service from Russel.
Are those boards Jackon from CTD m8?
I see you said wedi but I thought they looked like Jackon.

Yes they are the ctd boards. Well spotted! Just for insulation so wedi would be overkill.

 

[Two-Trowels]

Where do you get the Ezewarm gear from? googled for it but only a couple of suppliers came up and can't see those fixing strips anywhere.

 

[Lee@emctiles]

Mats (if sticky) and boards are fine, done correctly and a decent leveller over matting then shouldnt get much dovetailing.

however, variopro is getting great feedback. cable with an uncoupling membraine

 

[J Sid]

Mats (if sticky) and boards are fine, done correctly and a decent leveller over matting then shouldnt get much dovetailing.

however, variopro is getting great feedback. cable with an uncoupling membraine View attachment 80573

Has it got any insulation built into the mat? @Lee@TileTown and how much on average does it cost per Mt?

 

[Lee@emctiles]

Hi @JulianSidney no this mat has no insulation, ive priced this up a few times against the other one on the market and normally half the price.

heres some more info should you require it Vario PRO electric underfloor heating and uncoupling membrane

 

[J Sid]

Thanks @Lee@TileTown
I have a good idea of what the 'other one' cost, so if possible half the price then sound a good deal if the floor need uncoupling as well.
I think I heard the 'other one' are bring one out with some insulation built-in!
What do you recommend for insulation and thickness for the Vatio system?

 

[Lee@emctiles]

Delta Boards (other makes are available) Thermal Tile Backer would be my insulation. Cant comment on t'other matt/roll as ive not seen it.

 

[Stef]

Where do you get the Ezewarm gear from? googled for it but only a couple of suppliers came up and can't see those fixing strips anywhere.

 

[Stef]

Give Russel a buzz & he will sort you out.