Waterproofing An Aqua Dec

[davidsmerv]

Anyone any ideas for waterproofing an Aqua dec other than Tilesafe, ive done a few with Durals Durabase which as im sure most of you will know is the 1m wide roll of fleecy waterproofing fabric. It has worked ok but is a bit of a pain to get in around the drain of the aquadec as its not the most pliable. Im really asking as I was never much of a fan of tilesafe as it always seemed a pain to work with due to the skickyness, I believe they have now brought out a different version which may be a bit better to work with but I havent seen any to comment on it, I even have quite a bit of the original tilesafe on a roll which I should really use up to get rid of it, any ideas on a primer which would work with this as the primer that came with it is long gone.

Thanks
Mervyn

 

[One Day]

How about using a tray that's inherently waterproof and tileable such as wedi or schluter?

 

[Impey Showers]

The alternative you refer to is Impey WateGuard. Please feel free to request a sample as we have handed out quite a few to other members

 

[J Sid]

Alot easier to use then TileSafe

 

[Old Mod]

Alot easier to use then TileSafe

Question or statement?

 

[J Sid]

Statement

 

[Ian]

Waterguard is the one to use, much more user friendly than the old Devils flypaper.

 

[Qwerty]

As the others said, waterguard is good stuff. Use any reputable acrylic primer for the porous surfaces.

 

[hmtiling]

As above, Waterguard is much easier to use than tilesafe. Also, it's a lot thinner so where you've overlapped it doesn't bump you up as much.

 

[davidsmerv]

The alternative you refer to is Impey WateGuard. Please feel free to request a sample as we have handed out quite a few to other members

Thanks, I have emailed your customer services to request a sample. Hopefully they can sort me out as I would be keen to try it out.

 

[Impey Showers]

Mervyn.
Did you receive this sample?

 

[Time's Ran Out]

Impey - Still the best tanking product in my opinion.

 

[One Day]

Impey - Still the best tanking product in my opinion.

I'm going on their installer course soon. Maybe it can change my opinion because I really don't rate Impey (yet).
I have the opinion that Impey has been in the hands of plumbers and builders for too long.
Long enough to give it a bad reputation in my experience.

 

[J Sid]

I'm going on their installer course soon. Maybe it can change my opinion because I really don't rate Impey (yet).
I have the opinion that Impey has been in the hands of plumbers and builders for too long.
Long enough to give it a bad reputation in my experience.

Totally agree.....
I went on a hour presentation, in a plumbers merchant and there were points in the fittings process and in the claims made of the membrane which, as a tiler alarmed me.
Namely the joint between deck, plastic and wooden floor, asking for crack to form. The claim the waterproofing sheet act's as a uncoupling membrane which can handle 10mm movement in substrate with any damage to tiles!
Couldn't till me what, if any the national or international standards it has passed!
The membrane can have up 160w ufh wire but not limit to wet ufh max out put.
From a plumbers point of view it may tick all the boxes but as a tilers view point whose install could fail, I would not be happy fixing over... Yet!

 

[One Day]

I'm going to go though because it keeps coming up and whilst I install Schluter and Wedi all day with full confidence, I'd like to be doing the same with Impey. they are shifting lots of units after all...

 

[Qwerty]

I get on well with waterguard. The only things that niggle me are when using the butyl sealant on joints......it never skins over as it says. Also the issue of clamping the membrane into the drain.......it never really seems to clamp it down, just seems a bit too lose. I have had to run a 1cm strip of waterguard around the inside of the drain to pack it out so it creates a tight seal.

Any ideas on this @Impey Showers ?

 

[Impey Showers]

I'm going on their installer course soon. Maybe it can change my opinion because I really don't rate Impey (yet).
I have the opinion that Impey has been in the hands of plumbers and builders for too long.
Long enough to give it a bad reputation in my experience.

It will be great to meet and dispell any fears.
Which venue are you heading to?

 

[J Sid]

So are you saying if us tilers have any worries or questions to ask we have to pay to go on one of your course's to get answers? Or will you answer them on here @Impey Showers

 

[Impey Showers]

Ha, no not atall. All the recent queries here are currently with our technical team. I'll share them once they arrive.

 

[J Sid]

Thats good to hear, thankyou

 

[One Day]

It will be great to meet and dispell any fears.
Which venue are you heading to?

Manchester. Just awaiting confirmation and payment details now. ..

 

[Impey Showers]

I get on well with waterguard. The only things that niggle me are when using the butyl sealant on joints......it never skins over as it says. Also the issue of clamping the membrane into the drain.......it never really seems to clamp it down, just seems a bit too lose. I have had to run a 1cm strip of waterguard around the inside of the drain to pack it out so it creates a tight seal.

Any ideas on this @Impey Showers ?

Hi,
Having consulted the technical team we advise that when putting the jointing compound on, its best to put a 2/3mm bead along the exposed edge and rub in with a gloved finger. Please see pics.

 

[Ian]

What about the issues raised with the membrane into the drain @Impey Showers ?
The last few I've done have (even though heated up as advised), peeled up overnight so as @Plan Tec Tiling has suggested, I've done the same and run an extra strip around the drain area to hold it down. In my opinion, the membrane needs to be lapped further into the drain allowing it to be clamped in place when the clamping ring is installed, I'd say this would mean cutting a 50/60mm hole in the membrane around the drain rather than the suggested 115mm.

 

[J Sid]

The new kit, according to the presentation I saw has a circular cutting tool. You lay the membrane across and over the drain and use this two cut a circle out the right size and then clamp down.
Hope that makes sense .

 

[Qwerty]

Yes, I always use that but the clamp never holds it down properly as @Bri and myself has described

 

[Impey Showers]

Thanks for the comments. As ever, this has been forward on to technical. I'll update the discussion as soon as I get more details.

 

[Impey Showers]

What about the issues raised with the membrane into the drain @Impey Showers ?
The last few I've done have (even though heated up as advised), peeled up overnight so as @Plan Tec Tiling has suggested, I've done the same and run an extra strip around the drain area to hold it down. In my opinion, the membrane needs to be lapped further into the drain allowing it to be clamped in place when the clamping ring is installed, I'd say this would mean cutting a 50/60mm hole in the membrane around the drain rather than the suggested 115mm.

Would you be able to elaborate on the point about the membrane not sticking down? Do you have a picture? We're keen to understand more about this as its not something we've ever encountered. Thanks

 

[Ian]

Would you be able to elaborate on the point about the membrane not sticking down? Do you have a picture? We're keen to understand more about this as its not something we've ever encountered. Thanks

I don't have any pictures unfortunately, I'll be sure to take some the next time I fit one.

 

[Impey Showers]

I'll see if we can post some installs here and perhaps we can use them to discuss the issue

 

[J Sid]

4 days and still @Impey Showers have not been able to answer my basic questions!