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  1. Newbie1985

    Newbie1985 Active Member

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    Hi, I recently started working for myself as a tiler. I completed a course to enable me to change career, now the problem I have is I completed a job on a bathroom floor for a new build Taylor Wimpey and I thought the surface was Ply as it was installed when built. I Primed with SBR and laid the tiles all appears fine. Now after showing some ppl before and after shots I have been questioned about the surface whether it was ply or chipboard and I really don't know. How would I know this if I didn't install it, and if it is chipboard what problems could this cause, the surface was solid and did not move but I assumed that it being a new build its been prepped for Tiling. Main reason for posting is if I have cocked up and the surface is not suitable it's due to inexperience and not a cowboy job, I've used hardie backer on floorboards but thought it's not necessary on this job as it "ply" and solid. Any advice is appreciated. I don't want the customer thinking I have done them over if it goes wrong down the line. And I did graft my balls off on the job. Thank you
     
  2. Andy Allen

    Andy Allen Metro specialist & forum entertainer! Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

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    What adhesive and grout did you use..?
     
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  3. Newbie1985

    Newbie1985 Active Member

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    I used Topps rapid set flexi adhesive and Webber silver grey flexible grout. Both water resistant.
     
  4. Andy Allen

    Andy Allen Metro specialist & forum entertainer! Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

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    Only suitable for fixing on to 15mm overlay ply !......if you would of used something like bal single part fast flex you may have got away with it....
     
  5. jcrtiling

    jcrtiling Professional Tiler TTA Member Top Contributor

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    Did you do the job for Taylor wimpy or the householder.
     
  6. Newbie1985

    Newbie1985 Active Member

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    It was the house holder.
     
  7. timeless john

    timeless john Trusted Advisor Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

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    My concern would be the issue of not knowing the difference between plywood and chipboard!
     
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  8. Newbie1985

    Newbie1985 Active Member

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    Hence the reason for the post, if it's installed already how would I know, that's why I am asking to get the right information. But thanks for the vague reply mate much appreciated.
     
  9. Newbie1985

    Newbie1985 Active Member

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  10. timeless john

    timeless john Trusted Advisor Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

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    Nowt vague about it - your selling yourself as a 'professional' and your asking how do you tell the difference between plywood and chipboard.
    What did they teach you on your career change course?
    It's not about being a cowboy, it's about having the experience to undertake these jobs without the client being the training ground.
     
  11. 3_fall

    3_fall Administrator. Staff Member Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

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    If I were you I'd go down to my local B&Q and wander round the timber yard and familiarise myself with different sheet materials.

    Hi and welcome to the forum.
     
  12. Newbie1985

    Newbie1985 Active Member

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    This isn't the only job I've completed, however I've only used hardier backer if the floor has needed it so never used ply. As for selling myself as a pro I don't see why I can't as my intention is to do the best possible job for the customer. So your answer is vague and in no way helps me in what I am trying to find out, so in the politest way possible keep any negative comments to yourself at the end of the day I've possibly messed up on a job and I am just looking for advice not your opinion on my experience.
     
  13. Newbie1985

    Newbie1985 Active Member

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    Hi, thanks, that's my plan as soon as the kids are in school. The photo I've posted is what I Tiled onto and assumed was Ply, can you tell what it is from the picture. Thanks
     
  14. jcrtiling

    jcrtiling Professional Tiler TTA Member Top Contributor

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    In response to your reply to my earlier question as you weren't working for Taylor wimpy you should not assumed that it was ready for tiling or else it would of been tiled . But secondly you should not make assumptions on anything to do with tiling you should always check or err on the side of caution if you can't be sure . Belt and braces
     
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  15. Newbie1985

    Newbie1985 Active Member

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    I get that now and I have explained I'm fairly new to the game, the householder said TW we're too expensive hence not getting them to tile the floors. If I've fucked up im holding my hands up, would just like experienced veterans to confirm and put me on the right track however most people would rather go on about other stuff like lack of experience. No one has actually answered the question I asked. Does anyone actually know the answer.
     
  16. jcrtiling

    jcrtiling Professional Tiler TTA Member Top Contributor

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    You should be able to tell the difference as chipboard as it's name implies is chips of wood stuck together and looks like particles and no grain whereas plywood is sheets of wood glued together and therefore looks like a very wide plank of wood where you can see the grain. You may be lucky but I doubt it. the tiles will just let go and or crack .
     
  17. pdc

    pdc Professional Tiler Top Contributor

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  18. Newbie1985

    Newbie1985 Active Member

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    In BnQ now and it's not chip board I don't think, this is the photo of the surface.
     
  19. Bathfix Bob

    Bathfix Bob Professional Tiler

    New build upstairs will certainly be chipboard without a doubt. Were the tiles porcelain or ceramic?
    I don't tile on any wood what so ever as it expands and pulls the tiles apart on the joins.
    You need to screw down the chipboard properly to the joists to give it half a chance, don't reley on the nails!
    You could get a few years out of it before problems show.
     
  20. jcrtiling

    jcrtiling Professional Tiler TTA Member Top Contributor

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    It won't be ply . Picture looks like ply
     
  21. Newbie1985

    Newbie1985 Active Member

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    Hi Mate, tiles were porcelain and surface was solid, I'm absolutely gutted because it was a nice job and i worked hard on it as it was abit awkward not to mention the house was three storeys and all the cuts needed to be done outside and the weather was arse. Thanks mate appreciate the reply, think I'm going to hang my trowels up obviously not for me.
     
  22. Newbie1985

    Newbie1985 Active Member

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    Can chipboard look like this also
     
  23. Localtiler

    Localtiler Professional Tiler Top Contributor

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    Never is there ply wood on the floor unless it's been over boarded ready for some
    Flooring. This is chip board, don't tile on chipboard. As a rule, overboard every timber for now and you won't end up in this mess
     
  24. Localtiler

    Localtiler Professional Tiler Top Contributor

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    Don't give up mate we all made mistakes and we all still probably do on some things from time to time. Just learn from it. Put it right and you won't make that mistake again
     
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  25. jobdone

    jobdone Active Member

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    Don't give. We all days like this. Always decouple timber substrates. Every day is a school day. Best to ask questions first there will always be someone on here with an answer. Good luck
     
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  26. Bathfix Bob

    Bathfix Bob Professional Tiler

    Porcelain is alot stonger than ceramic and stone and you can get away with more, but still don't skimp on the prep.

    I would say you'll probably be fine on this one, I see loads of porcelain on new builds around 10 years old and straight on chipboard its (annoyingly) intact.

    Any pics of the finished result?
     
  27. Newbie1985

    Newbie1985 Active Member

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    I hope so mate the thought of letting the customers down (not purposely) is doing my head in, I mean the surface was smooth not like chipboard otherwise I'd of asked questions, if had been floor boards then straight away I'd of put hardie backer down. These are the photos mate.

    View attachment 91990 View attachment 91991
     
  28. jcrtiling

    jcrtiling Professional Tiler TTA Member Top Contributor

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    Salisbury
    Sorry should of read looks like chipboard
     
  29. jcrtiling

    jcrtiling Professional Tiler TTA Member Top Contributor

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    As above somewhere . Everyday is a schoolday .
     
  30. Newbie1985

    Newbie1985 Active Member

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    Thanks a lot Gents, some useful and appreciated advice. Yea everyday is a school day. Thanks to the lads replying who weren't knobs about it and actually took time to help. Good luck.
     
  31. Bathfix Bob

    Bathfix Bob Professional Tiler

    Looks fine, dont be afriad to chop the bottoms off archatrive and tuck the tile under for a neater finish and also a nice threshold strip under the door.
     
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  32. timeless john

    timeless john Trusted Advisor Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

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    There is nothing negative about any thing I've stated but if you only want encouragement your not in the real world!
    You are morally wrong for charging for work you have no experience in undertaking, and it's your type of mistakes which give my trade of 44 years a bad name.
    In the 8 years I've been adding to this forum yours is in the top 10 of posts that defy logic.
    If this were in the DIY section you get my advice, but you take a picture of the floor, tile it, then come and ask!
    Just to add - the only knob in this thread is you for conning a homeowner out of their hard earned cash.
    If you really don't want to let them down - give them their money back!
     
  33. 3_fall

    3_fall Administrator. Staff Member Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

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    SW London
    Ok so I've ignored a few minor swear words as you're new and clearly concerned about a possible mistake.
    This is an open forum and accessible to anyone, so bad language and the like is not tolerated, and it'd also be appreciated, if you would remarks like that above were kept to yourself.
    You know which bit I mean.

    This is a forum with many personalities, and you'll always get differing opinions, and everyone is allowed to voice them unless they are abusive.
    So if someone posts something you don't like, ignore it. They'll always be other posts you'll find helpful.
    And if you think someone is out of line, there is a report icon at the bottom of the post, use it.

    If that happens, the world will be a much happier place, and I won't have to waste my time doing this.

    Good luck,
    and enjoy. :):thumbsup:
     
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  34. timeless john

    timeless john Trusted Advisor Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

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    @3_fall@3_fall - I should know better!
    Apologies Admin.
     
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  35. Newbie1985

    Newbie1985 Active Member

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    Liverpool
    Not after encouragement at all, read the posts and you'll see and trust me I haven't conned anyone just might of made a mistake. Look at most peoples replies and you'll see they are quite helpful you were just abrupt and as for your 44 years of experience and people like me giving your trade a bad name well I have the right to change my career in something I enjoy doing whether old boys like yourself like it or not. As for being a con man after ten years in the forces trust me loyalty to people is a big quality of mine and if the customer contacts me anytime in the future I'll happily pay for the whole job to be re done, I'll even pay you to do it you could then call me a con man then to my face and not behind a forum. We're all men here mate and if you act abruptly with me and try and be a smart [email protected]&e with comments like "what concerns me is not knowing difference between ply and chipboard" well straight away you come at me with an attitude, instead of saying something like "the way an experienced Tiler would spot the difference is ".... etc, but straight away you've thought 44 years in the business and look at this idiot. Don't comment to me anymore please mate, not interested in your opinion. Have a good day
     
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