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  1. Zub

    Zub Active Member

    Location:
    Leeds
    Hi all,

    First time tiler. Decided to tile the kitchen after a fire destroyed the old one.

    I need a bit of advice as to which layout I should use for the pipe which has been boxed in.

    Do I ignore the bond on the arch, split each side of the boxing into half and brick bond? Or do I continue the bond from the archway? If so, how? I've attached a few sketches below. Sketch 3 looks the most appropriate to me, however that would go against what I have on right corner.

    Help!

    Thanks in advance

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  2. Localtiler

    Localtiler Professional Tiler Top Contributor

    Location:
    Yorkshire
    The first sketch for me !
     
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  3. jcrtiling

    jcrtiling Professional Tiler TTA Member Top Contributor

    Location:
    Salisbury
    Is there a window on the left hand wall
     
  4. Sean Kelly

    Sean Kelly Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler

    Location:
    Ruislip
    Deffo 'A'. 'B'&'C' too bitty. Nice job so far.
     
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  5. Andy Allen

    Andy Allen Metro specialist & forum entertainer! Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

    Location:
    Gloucester
    I would go A but drop it down a row..
    Full tile, full tile.... Half tile, cut, cut.. Then carry the bond round the boxing..... Full tile, full tile..... Half tile, half tile, cut..
     
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  6. Plan Tec Tiling

    Plan Tec Tiling Administrator Staff Member Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

    Location:
    Wimborne, Dorset
    I personally would do the same as @Andy Allen@Andy Allen suggested. Some layouts although looking wrong, will look right.....







    .....if that makes any sense!!??
     
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  7. Zub

    Zub Active Member

    Location:
    Leeds
    Nope, here's a better pic of the 'boxing in'

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  8. Zub

    Zub Active Member

    Location:
    Leeds
    Many thanks for your prompt responses

    Plan Tec/Andy/Sean/Localtiler

    Does this look better?

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    I forgot to mention one thing, the 'boxing is' 24cm x 24cm, so it wont be a 'full tile' as such. Dont think I can avoid cuts no matter what. I've got plenty time tho so I dont mind.
     
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  9. Andy Allen

    Andy Allen Metro specialist & forum entertainer! Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

    Location:
    Gloucester
    That is the way I would do it...
     
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  10. Sean Kelly

    Sean Kelly Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler

    Location:
    Ruislip
    Yes. Looks good. I like your sketches.
     
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  11. demi34

    demi34 Professional Tiler

    Location:
    romford essex
    The layout it good , only one thing for I would put plastic square trim around the door
     
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  12. Zub

    Zub Active Member

    Location:
    Leeds
    Thank you

    Bought some PVC trim earlier (see pics below). With hindsight, I should have carried out my research properly. I believe there is a proper tile trim (aluminium) available which can be curved around arches. PVC will have to do for now

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  13. Andy Allen

    Andy Allen Metro specialist & forum entertainer! Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

    Location:
    Gloucester
    Excellent !!
     
  14. Zub

    Zub Active Member

    Location:
    Leeds
    ..
    Thanks Andy

    Thanks Sean - sketches, pretty easy using an app available on playstore. Take a nice pic, convert using app, and then add lines using MSPaint. If you need any drop me a PM.
     
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  15. Zub

    Zub Active Member

    Location:
    Leeds
    Since you guys have been so helpful, can I pick your brains with a few finishing queries which are specific to bevelled tiles?

    1) How do I finish off this socket? Cream coloured silicone? (as grout may crack after time to movement in the socket when changing plugs)

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    2) How would I get a clean silicone line where the tile meets the unit? I'm guessing fugi-tool wouldn't cater for the bevel.

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    3) What does 'scribing a corner' mean? One tile flush against wall, second tile mitred at 45degree and then profile cut off and butted in? As you can see from the pic, i've messed up one corner but would like to avoid this error on the remaining corner

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    4) On the 'boxing in', I've decided to use a tile trim as I am nowhere near competent enough to mitre. How would I deal with the bevel (diamond) against the trim? Grout and forget about it?

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    Last edited: Oct 15, 2017
  16. Andy Allen

    Andy Allen Metro specialist & forum entertainer! Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

    Location:
    Gloucester
    1....colour match silicone round the socket.
    2...i just use my finger...... But a tool will be fine.
    3...scribing metros means to cut the metro shape out of one side of the cut tiles. I would just cut them as normal and colour match a silicone joint in the corner with the same colour as the grout.
    4.... Just grout it and forget about it...
     
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  17. Plan Tec Tiling

    Plan Tec Tiling Administrator Staff Member Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner Top Contributor

    Location:
    Wimborne, Dorset
    What he said..... ^^^
     
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  18. Zub

    Zub Active Member

    Location:
    Leeds
    Many thanks Andy/PlanTec
    I think that concludes my list of questions (for now).
    I'll be sure to upload some pics when its all completed (in a few months time!)

    Cheers
     
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  19. John Benton

    John Benton Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner

    Location:
    Leeds
    The Fugi tool would work down the side of the socket. I would just mask up the side of the socket as close to the edge as you can get, run the bead of silicone into the joint and then using the 90 degree square edge run that down the tile and remove tape.
     
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  20. Zub

    Zub Active Member

    Location:
    Leeds
    Thanks - What about where the tile meets the units though? and the internal corners? As others have said, I think using the same colour grout and silicone (mapei grey), with a few attempts i think can get it blend in somehow.
     
  21. John Benton

    John Benton Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner

    Location:
    Leeds
    For me I would use the white on internal corners and against the units. Reason being, because of the bevelled edge on the tile the thickness of the bead will change each time it changes angle. It will really stand out, grey over white, the white would be less noticeable.
     
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  22. Zub

    Zub Active Member

    Location:
    Leeds
    Good point. Thats my biggest concern, getting a constant straight bead over the angles whilst somehow ensuring the 'diamonds' dont stand out. I guess I'll only know when I get round to siliconing.

    I'll try both white n grey n see what looks best. Thanks for that.
     
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  23. J K Tiling Cornwall

    J K Tiling Cornwall Active Member

    Location:
    Cornwall
    View attachment 94133 View attachment 94134 View attachment 94133 View attachment 94134 I'm a bit late entering this thread, have just done a kitchen with white metros and grey grout, always use a neat silicone seal on all internal corners, against units and worktops. The Mapei grey should blend in quite well (I just spray with a little water with a drop of washing up liquid added and smooth over with a finger tip, multi wipes really help to keep things neat). Looking really good so far, had to tile a arched widow a few years back and the underside, cut individual pieces of trim to fit.
     
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  24. Zub

    Zub Active Member

    Location:
    Leeds
    Evening - for some reason your attachments aren't showing up.. Might take a bit of time to replicate onto the forum maybe?
     
  25. J K Tiling Cornwall

    J K Tiling Cornwall Active Member

    Location:
    Cornwall
    kitchen.jpg WP_20141216_002.jpg
     
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  26. Zub

    Zub Active Member

    Location:
    Leeds
    That arch looks stunning. The grey grout also compliments the white metro very well. We've gone for a slightly darker grey (cement grey) as we're hoping to have a dark laminate floor.................

    All this talk of tiling is making me want to tile the floor though. Its a tiny area (1.5m x 1.5m max), and most of the cuts will be hidden under the plinth.

    One step at a time I guess.
     
  27. J K Tiling Cornwall

    J K Tiling Cornwall Active Member

    Location:
    Cornwall
    Evening Zub, (should say morning) just tried again hopefully okay now
     
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  28. J K Tiling Cornwall

    J K Tiling Cornwall Active Member

    Location:
    Cornwall
    You should go for tiling the floor but just be careful with the choice of tile (once you have a glazed tile in the kitchen you soon realise how much you drop stuff!) But a full bodied porcelain or wood/stone effect will be more forgiving.
     
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  29. Zub

    Zub Active Member

    Location:
    Leeds
    Here we have it... a week later.
    Couldn't have done it without your help

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    A bit of triangle trim

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    My poor attempt at cutting using a wet saw

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  30. Zub

    Zub Active Member

    Location:
    Leeds
    Next mission, window!

    What do you guys think of this sketch? How would you lay it out?

    Thanks in advance

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  31. Zub

    Zub Active Member

    Location:
    Leeds
    Actually, thinking about it, the window sill will be 8mm/10mm instead of 9mm/9mm

    I'll chop off the bevel where the trim meets bevel, and then have a full tile touching the window. 8/10 would then reflect all the way on the inside of the the window frame. Does that make sense?
     
  32. John Benton

    John Benton Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner

    Location:
    Leeds
    I would put a window board in there and paint it personally. I think metros look terrible on a flat surface, only my opinion though
     
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  33. Zub

    Zub Active Member

    Location:
    Leeds
    Thanks - I didn't even think of that.. just laid out a few on the sill and can see what you mean.
     
  34. Localtiler

    Localtiler Professional Tiler Top Contributor

    Location:
    Yorkshire
    I’ve never siliconed around a socket when using metros!

    I also prefer a window sill on the bottom and tiles on the sides
     
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  35. John Benton

    John Benton Trusted Advisor Professional Tiler JOTM Winner

    Location:
    Leeds
    Here's one I did earlier, someone else had tiled, but the customer got me in to remove quadrant trim and tiled sill and fit new 'L' trim and window board.

    metrosill.jpg
     
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