Bal or tilemaster ??quartz - Tile Advice

[Chris G]

sorry I know there are already many different threads on what adhesive to use for quartz tiles but I’m still a bit nervous about what advise to go with . The tiles are from tile mountain who say to use Mapei Granirapid , but I can’t get hold of it in time for when I need it . Bal technical say to use pourable one with ad1/water ratio 1:3. Which i can get from ctd , i now know tilemaster ultimate is suitable which I can get from protiler. Which could save customer £100 over the bal stuff

It’s the first time fitting quartz so want to make sure get it right .

Thanks for any advice

 

[Old Mod]

Firstly where are they to be fitted in the property.
They don’t do well in areas of direct sunlight.

Secondly, is there ufh?
Very very few are suitable, you would need to get it in writing that the are suitable.
Gulf stone is one of the only tried and tested quartz tiles with ufh.

And the only true safe adhesive is a two part, bottle and bag.
The adhesive should contain little or no water.

 

[Waluigi]

This is Topps Tiles’ recommendation. From Bal

 

[White Room]

It was while ago I used Granirapid, white powder and sbr mix and it wasn't that rapid.
To be honest I'd be looking an alternative product for your tiles.

 

[Chris G]

The tiles are 93% quartz resin . It’s on concrete large kitchen floor . NO Ufh .
Was going to use uncoupling matting as well .
There is sliding patio door , don’t know how much direct sunlight comes in and for how long I’ll just have to pass on this advice to the customer and let them make their own mind up maybe they can install automatic blinds.

 

[hmtiling]

My preferred 2 part is weber set.plus and weber ad250. Standard setting and not the worst for trowelling and cleaning

 

[Old Mod]

My preferred 2 part is weber set.plus and weber ad250. Standard setting and not the worst for trowelling and cleaning

You’re so fickle H!

 

[hmtiling]

You’re so fickle H!

I actually forgot about isomat megarapid. That would be first choice.
Weber 2 part has been my automatic answer to this for years and it's early

 

[Just Rizzle]

with out any hesitation i would use tile masters ultimate probably the best addy on the market. just got in a pallet yesterday for 150 mtrs of porcelain doing in a weeks time. have used on quartz several times noproblems

 

[hmtiling]

with out any hesitation i would use tile masters ultimate probably the best addy on the market. just got in a pallet yesterday for 150 mtrs of porcelain doing in a weeks time. have used on quartz several times noproblems

It's not suitable and, in my opinion one of the worst s2's I've ever used

 

[Just Rizzle]

are you getting them from a local firm or from the net since gulf stone went bust theirs a lot of cheap poor quality quartz on the market. the poorer the quality the harder to stick down what ever addy you use.

 

[One Day]

It's not suitable and, in my opinion one of the worst s2's I've ever used

As an S2 it's not as deformable (flexible, bendy) as some like BAL fastflex or Mapei S2 but in my experience it bites into substrates like metal, fibreglass and resin like nothing else (aside from Fastflex and Mapei S2) so in that regard I think it's a brilliant adhesive at a very good price point.
Remember - S2 isn't even a proper classification, more of an optional extra.
Anyone can make bendy adhesive - the bite and adhesion onto difficult substrates isn't so easy.

 

[hmtiling]

are you getting them from a local firm or from the net since gulf stone went bust theirs a lot of cheap poor quality quartz on the market. the poorer the quality the harder to stick down what ever addy you use.

I find it same as sticking any tiles down. The problem is with water content of adhesive. Well, that and ufh and sunlight.
Apart from that it's fantastic

 

[hmtiling]

As an S2 it's not as deformable (flexible, bendy) as some like BAL fastflex or Mapei S2 but in my experience it bites into substrates like metal, fibreglass and resin like nothing else (aside from Fastflex and Mapei S2) so in that regard I think it's a brilliant adhesive at a very good price point.
Remember - S2 isn't even a proper classification, more of an optional extra.
Anyone can make bendy adhesive - the bite and adhesion onto difficult substrates isn't so easy.

How many single part s2's have you removed from said substrates then. Just so we have a decent field of example

 

[One Day]

How many single part s2's have you removed from said substrates then. Just so we have a decent field of example

I did a test just this week on Porcelanosa's air slate, (didn't like the supplied epoxy grout for fixing) along with some steel sheet and the Ultimate had the best bond on both.
Not as flexible but definitely keyed into each better.
As for fibreglass, I only used it once on a pond siding/waterfall feature but again, the bond was brilliant.
I think I'd prefer fastflex on a timber floor because I know it deforms well though.

Why do you say not suitable and what's your experience?