first real complaint, advice appreciated - Tile Advice

[Martyn Leeds]

Sounds like a load of tosh on their part, but i'd play ball, be polite and entertain them.
Can't imagine anything will come of it.

Plus, I very much doubt your Liability Insurance won't compensate anyone for poor workmanship

 

[macten]

Liability insurance wouldn't even cover you for damaging a bath whilst tiling. Definitely won't get involved with accusations of poor work.

 

[Dumbo]

I like the fact they want his insurance details as if they could contact them direct to claim

 

[Andy Allen]

Liability insurance wouldn't even cover you for damaging a bath whilst tiling. Definitely won't get involved with accusations of poor work.

Why won't it....?
Mine did when I drop a hammer and chipped a bath..
That's what it's for..... life's little accidents.

 

[judge]

As impish said,she doesnt like the Tiles And Theyre Trying To Get It Redone For Free.chancers

 

[One Day]

Why won't it....?
Mine did when I drop a hammer and chipped a bath..
That's what it's for..... life's little accidents.

My mate the Bath Dr fixes them for £60.
My excess was £250.
You sure you just "chipped" it Andy?!

 

[Andy Allen]

My mate the Bath Dr fixes them for £60.
My excess was £250.
You sure you just "chipped" it Andy?!

That's a high excess mines only £100.

Steel bath, dropped hammer= big chip !!
Customer insisted on a new bath..

 

[John Benton]

They've accepted your price, if they didn't you wouldn't have got the job. They've paid you, so they accepted the quality of the work.
The fact that they didn't give you the opportunity to rectify the work they are unhappy with, they have broken the contract they had with you.
CAB is geared more towards the customer rather than the tradesperson/supplier.
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[macten]

Why won't it....?
Mine did when I drop a hammer and chipped a bath..
That's what it's for..... life's little accidents.

The majority of insurers exclude items that are part of your ‘contracted works’ under Public Liability, so if you damage something that you have fitted or built which is part of the contract that you are working on, it wouldn’t be covered. You would need Contract Works cover to protect the work you are doing until completion of that particular contract.
Depends on what type of cover you have arranged when you took out your policy but bog standard LI wouldn’t cover you.

 

[One Day]

The majority of insurers exclude items that are part of your ‘contracted works’ under Public Liability, so if you damage something that you have fitted or built which is part of the contract that you are working on, it wouldn’t be covered. You would need Contract Works cover to protect the work you are doing until completion of that particular contract.
Depends on what type of cover you have arranged when you took out your policy but bog standard LI wouldn’t cover you.

I could have claimed - only because I didn't fit the bath, but damaged it during the work (spinning a trowel - a bad habit hard to break)
But the excess was massive.
Bath guy repaired it like magic though.

 

[Andy Allen]

Same.....I didn't fit the bath so covered.

 

[craig89]

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sorry for long post, just after a bit of advice regarding my first proper complaint from a kitchen splashback i done a couple of weeks ago, and am at present both gutted and pretty annoyed.
Customer called me as they had removed all old tiles from wall and made a mess of the wall, therefore needed the kitchen wall sorting.
Popped round and quoted them £250 for 2 days work including adhesives and grout.
Customer had a plasterer in to sort walls out before tiling but plasterer had back bonded them but said they were fine for tiling.
Turned up on first day and walls were pretty messy, cust had also pva'd walls on plasterer advice. I advised that pva shouldnt be used, so i scrubbed walls and stuck Bal primer on them.
Cust also told me that 2 separate worktops were not same height (15mm gap) difference from one worktop to another. advised him that one side would use 3mm spacers over a few tiles to make the gap up from one unit to the next where i used 2mm spacers.
All agreed by both.
Anyway struck up good rapport over 2 days with customer and managed to do what i thought was a decent job.
Received payment, however 3 days later wife contacted me to say they were pretty unhappy with work done. At no time over the 2 days did anyone intimate the work was bad, quite the opposite in fact, so much so that i was asked to re do the bathroom which they werent happy with from the last tiler who had done that.
One complaint was regarding plug sockets as i had tiled under the edge of the sockets which i had left in a "dangerous and avoidable" condition. I admit maybe one was borderline tight but the rest were no different to numerous splashbacks in the past.
Also some of the tiles were not 100% flat in places, I explained that because the wall was so uneven with differences of 20mm from place to place it would be hard to get everything completely flat, along with the fact that 75% of the tiles had a small bow in the middle.
I agreed an amount to refund with the customer to cover this, which even the customer stated if this can be settled this would conclude the matter.
A week later however i have been messaged again stating the whole job was shoddy and they are completely disgusted with it. Now they are stating it is so bad that they are looking to claim from my insurance, have me pay all the money back or take me to the local courts to settle.
My query lies with a few things:
1. apparently the cust has spoke to solicitor and got 3 quotes from diff tilers to fix which were vastly cheaper than my initial quote of £250. how much does a splashback more or less cost nowadays for 2 days work. Apparently my initial quote was at the top end of pricing for a kitchen splashback.
2. during 2 days work the husband was constantly saying how happy he was with the job, but his wife wasnt overly enamoured because the tiles looked like "tiles in a doctors bathroom". Am i being taken for a ride here because they dont like the tiles which they bought??
3. apart from the sockets, they werent happy that i left a 2mm gap under the wall cupboards (which were filled with matching silicone), does anyone else leave a gap under cupboards?
4. has anyone ever dealt with a cust who nothing is ever good enough for, now im not bitter about this and the reason i mention it is because, the customers complained that their bathroom was terrible and was getting re tiled, the plasterer had done a bad job and the customers could have done a better job themselves, the electrician who moved the sockets in the kitchen had done a shoddy job, basically everything that had been done was done badly by various different tradesmen.
5. regarding courts and insurance i believed under the sale of goods act if you werent asked to return to fix anything you could agree to a settlement. if we had agreed as mentioned can you then ask for more money back etc...

sorry for the long winded post but really could do with some help.

added a few pics also before and after

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sorry for long post, just after a bit of advice regarding my first proper complaint from a kitchen splashback i done a couple of weeks ago, and am at present both gutted and pretty annoyed.
Customer called me as they had removed all old tiles from wall and made a mess of the wall, therefore needed the kitchen wall sorting.
Popped round and quoted them £250 for 2 days work including adhesives and grout.
Customer had a plasterer in to sort walls out before tiling but plasterer had back bonded them but said they were fine for tiling.
Turned up on first day and walls were pretty messy, cust had also pva'd walls on plasterer advice. I advised that pva shouldnt be used, so i scrubbed walls and stuck Bal primer on them.
Cust also told me that 2 separate worktops were not same height (15mm gap) difference from one worktop to another. advised him that one side would use 3mm spacers over a few tiles to make the gap up from one unit to the next where i used 2mm spacers.
All agreed by both.
Anyway struck up good rapport over 2 days with customer and managed to do what i thought was a decent job.
Received payment, however 3 days later wife contacted me to say they were pretty unhappy with work done. At no time over the 2 days did anyone intimate the work was bad, quite the opposite in fact, so much so that i was asked to re do the bathroom which they werent happy with from the last tiler who had done that.
One complaint was regarding plug sockets as i had tiled under the edge of the sockets which i had left in a "dangerous and avoidable" condition. I admit maybe one was borderline tight but the rest were no different to numerous splashbacks in the past.
Also some of the tiles were not 100% flat in places, I explained that because the wall was so uneven with differences of 20mm from place to place it would be hard to get everything completely flat, along with the fact that 75% of the tiles had a small bow in the middle.
I agreed an amount to refund with the customer to cover this, which even the customer stated if this can be settled this would conclude the matter.
A week later however i have been messaged again stating the whole job was shoddy and they are completely disgusted with it. Now they are stating it is so bad that they are looking to claim from my insurance, have me pay all the money back or take me to the local courts to settle.
My query lies with a few things:
1. apparently the cust has spoke to solicitor and got 3 quotes from diff tilers to fix which were vastly cheaper than my initial quote of £250. how much does a splashback more or less cost nowadays for 2 days work. Apparently my initial quote was at the top end of pricing for a kitchen splashback.
2. during 2 days work the husband was constantly saying how happy he was with the job, but his wife wasnt overly enamoured because the tiles looked like "tiles in a doctors bathroom". Am i being taken for a ride here because they dont like the tiles which they bought??
3. apart from the sockets, they werent happy that i left a 2mm gap under the wall cupboards (which were filled with matching silicone), does anyone else leave a gap under cupboards?
4. has anyone ever dealt with a cust who nothing is ever good enough for, now im not bitter about this and the reason i mention it is because, the customers complained that their bathroom was terrible and was getting re tiled, the plasterer had done a bad job and the customers could have done a better job themselves, the electrician who moved the sockets in the kitchen had done a shoddy job, basically everything that had been done was done badly by various different tradesmen.
5. regarding courts and insurance i believed under the sale of goods act if you werent asked to return to fix anything you could agree to a settlement. if we had agreed as mentioned can you then ask for more money back etc...

sorry for the long winded post but really could do with some help.

added a few pics also before and after

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I had a client who had "issues" with my work after the job was completed......... Long story short was that we ended up in court after he sued me for just about anything he could think of, so as to avoid paying me the 2.5k he still owed me (this included trying to tell the court that i had used only 20 bags of sticky instead of the 50 odd I had quoted for........because he could only find 20 used bags in the skip???)
I counter sued him....he left court in tears.... I got paid!
Chancers are out there believe me, first time I've been bumped in 30 odd years. I honestly didn't see that one coming!
If you believe that you've done nothing wrong and have offered to try and rectify things, and they're still trying it on, then small claims court might be an option.
Good luck !

 

[Slippery]

They are trying to get you to re-tile IMO
Be polite but agree to no discount or other work apart from rectifying what is wrong. "had to get a sparky to re-fit a socket" they are trying it on!!

PS, double your prices !!

 

[Time's Ran Out]

It’s no good telling the OP to increase his prices, work has to be of an acceptable standard to get paid even £250!
Can’t see where any trim has been used, the background bonded substrate is not a recommended surface for tiling, the gap at the top of the units could have been foreseen and dealt with by a wider tile joint, and if your going to get involved with sockets you have to leave them in a secure and safe position.
It may be that the customer is genuinely unhappy with the quality of the job or their own tile choice. If you give them their money back they may claim more, you could front it out!

 

[Italy]

It’s no good telling the OP to increase his prices, work has to be of an acceptable standard to get paid even £250!
Can’t see where any trim has been used, the background bonded substrate is not a recommended surface for tiling, the gap at the top of the units could have been foreseen and dealt with by a wider tile joint, and if your going to get involved with sockets you have to leave them in a secure and safe position.
It may be that the customer is genuinely unhappy with the quality of the job or their own tile choice. If you give them their money back they may claim more, you could front it out!

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