Hi,

i'm looking at buying a proper all singing and dancing tile cutter, hopefully one that will last a fair stretch and hopefully earn the money back i pay for it

I would use it a lot for porcelain, especaily cutting at 45 degrees, cutting out sockets. . etc. and i basically want it to save time.

the way i see it, i have 3 options:

• Dewalt d24000 (£703)

• Montolit tornado (£1,253)

• rubi dw250n (£300-ish)

At the moment i'm swaying towards the dewalt d2400 as it seems to be good value for money. The new montolit though............ is a beauty
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCMEJp8b7wM]YouTube - WetTileSaw -Tornado-[/ame]

But i can't decide, and i would be well off i pay loads for a heap of ........so

Does anyone have any reccomendations?

Are there any other (worth while) options?

any advice is very very welcomed!!

thanks

Ross, please try to keep your language in check in the public forums. I know stuff gets "starred" out but it can still be offiensive to some.

As for your question. I have a DW 250N and I won't be buying another. It throws off water like a monsoon, and doesn't cut straight. The power switch is in an awkward position and in an emergency would be difficult to get to. I hanker for a DeWalt but it will have to wait. The monty looks good too though.

i am impressed by the monty, looks like a nice bit of kit. think that just moved to the top of my wish list!

If you look thro the site re. the Dewalt 24000 I doubt you'll find any negative reviews (more the opposite) which is almost unheard of in any product of any type.

The Monty looks good but it's a new untested unreviewed model, heavier than the Dewalt and with a whopping price difference.

Given the choice again I would still go for the Dewalt. I cant see that much differnce between the Monty and Dewalt to warrant that price difference.

53 kgs! Thats heavy, not has heavy as some granted but heavier than the dewalt by a mile.

I notice they dont show you the finished cuts in an almost ten minute video. Most of it was setting it up!

I bought a dewalt saw and was so happy that I bought another one (we have 6 fitters). I have a yard full of wet saws that have all seen service. A couple of Nuova Battipavs; they are not bad but heavy and bulky. I had a couple of the Rubi SW250 machines and agree with GrumpyGrouter that they are rubbish in fact we sent them back!
I had a sigma 9M1 : nice machine but boy is is bulky and awkward to move about and every bit of it stick out in the back of a van. We also have a couple of those yellow things they sell for £200 in topps tiles and they are good for the money but overall the dewalt wins hands down. Its very powerfull, easy to set up on your own and cuts straight.
Hope that helps you avoid having a wet saw graveyard :-)
If anyone wants a proffesional wet saw at a very reasonable price feel free to let me know as we do have a few more than we need these days and it would be nice to send them to a good home.
We have a really big BAM machine but thats not practical for site work and various small units but they are not ideal if its your only machine.

montolit looks a great cutter,not sure i would pay that sort of money on a tool you can only use on domestic jobs(it being a 240v) in fact i would'nt pay that for any wet cutter i could use on commercial work either.

I really fancied the Tornado and made tentative enquiries with the UK distributor who told me not to bother and to spend my money on the DeWalt

The Tornado has two factors going against it just now -

1. It's made by a third party and not Montolit
2. It's the first edition so you'll spend best part of £1100 and get all the teething problems to boot, which will then be rectified on the Mark2 or even 3

Do yourself a favour and buy the DeWalt - I did and LOVE it

hi ,im only saying this as i have the dewalt and im loving it , easy to set up ,not much over spray and i have to say it cuts like butter nice and clean , i have only so far used it on slate with not one flakey edge a ture dream cutter so far , and as for the price dif ,think it wins hands down
good luck with wot you go for but im betting its yellow

The DeWALT 24000 For me, The tornado looks good I like the laser feature. I wonder who ripped who off, but come on Rome was built quicker than assembling that Montolit. I could have the bottom half of a bathroom done by the time this guy has set his machine up. Plus his suit looks like it came from Matalan (I only wear Jeff Banks or Braumler for work,) if I am pushed I might have to consider a Pierre Cardin. I need to get a new Butler

Plus his suit looks like it came from Matalan (I only wear Jeff Banks or Braumler for work,) if I am pushed I might have to consider a Pierre Cardin. I need to get a new Butler

You're making too much dosh Hobbo

Originally Posted by Phil Hobson

The DeWALT 24000 For me, The tornado looks good I like the laser feature. I wonder who ripped who off, but come on Rome was built quicker than assembling that Montolit. I could have the bottom half of a bathroom done by the time this guy has set his machine up. Plus his suit looks like it came from Matalan (I only wear Jeff Banks or Braumler for work,) if I am pushed I might have to consider a Pierre Cardin. I need to get a new Butler

In fairness most of the time is a once off set up.
It has a lot of clever features though, which i'm sure dewalt will incorporate in their mk3

dewalt will incorporate in their mk3

A DeWalt Mark 3??

How do I get on the waiting list

Make sure you put your best suit on Kev

Make sure you put your best suit on Kev

You'll have to lend me one Phil

I have just read on another forum (JLC online) that the dewalt's bearings may have to be replaced after 12 months of continued use and that it could do with a bit more cutting power?
Anyone heard this?

The Sigma 10m is double the price of a dewalt but in 8 years I have only had to replace the blade (£80) 4 times.

http://www.sigmaitalia.com/?lang=en

ah ha, yeah sorry about the language.

but thanks everyone, it looks like i've found my answer.

its gotta be the dewalt. Havent heard a bad word about it yet, and also thats a good point about the montolit being the first one ....teething problems etc. also diddnt realise its 50kg!!! crikey, i'd break my back getting it out of the van

and i even found a laser that u can put on the guard to impress my missus.

QEP Tile Saw Laser Guide For tIle Saws

thanks again!

I'm sure I'll get a caning for this, but I'm not the biggest dewalt fan around and I've never seen the Dewalt wet saw cutter in the flesh so to speak.
I'm old enough to remember Elu.
When Dewalt started off I had a 14volt Elu drill and a 14 volt Dewalt drill the Dewalt didn't even come close to the Elu in power and battery life and yet supposedly the same drill.
In the past I was asked to test Dewalt tools and was given their portable table saw to play with for 6 months, it broke after 3 weeks.
In the six months I had it, at least for two months it was being repaired.
The only Dewalt tool I've ever been happy with is their mitre saw stand
With all the praise their wet saw gets I can only presume they have got their act together.

Originally Posted by richard Kent

With all the praise their wet saw gets I can only presume they have got their act together.

I dont have many Dewalt tools either but this is pure quality and gets used . No issues so far.
I am not just saying this because Tradetiler sell them as they also sell Rubi and Rubi are site sponsors....IMO The Dewalt is 3 times the machine over the Rubi of similar price.

I've decided to buy a Dewalt D24000 when my Rubi ND 200 packs in, which I expected it to do long before now, but still going strong, even after a serious amount of heavy work - code for abuse ! - That said - this Rubi model is the table saw model - not the overhead rail your talking about. I dont know how effective the Dewalt will be at cutting switchboxes out of whole tiles as the smaller the dia of the wheel, be better it is at that specifc task.

I would suggest that if you can afford it, buy a Rubi ND Model 200/250 stainless bed and also a D24000. The Rubi table top version as one massive advantage over every other type of wet saw - inc our DR300 EN ! in that it will cut any length of cut - infinity [as long as you can support the tile and the cut-off. ie we have cut 1200mm porcelain on ours, whereas the D24000 is limited to about 800mm or something like that - not sure without checking but my memory [going as rusty as my Rubi !] says its 750/850mm ish !

Hope this helps

PS - Dave at Tiletrader knows I will give a call one day - Just not yet.

Hi Richard,

You could get a D24000 and the new Montolit 85mm diamond wheel for your grinder - this will cut out a single socket with the greatest of ease

Originally Posted by Richard Edwards

I've decided to buy a Dewalt D24000 when my Rubi ND 200 packs in, which I expected it to do long before now, but still going strong, even after a serious amount of heavy work - code for abuse ! - That said - this Rubi model is the table saw model - not the overhead rail your talking about. I dont know how effective the Dewalt will be at cutting switchboxes out of whole tiles as the smaller the dia of the wheel, be better it is at that specifc task.

I would suggest that if you can afford it, buy a Rubi ND Model 200/250 stainless bed and also a D24000. The Rubi table top version as one massive advantage over every other type of wet saw - inc our DR300 EN ! in that it will cut any length of cut - infinity [as long as you can support the tile and the cut-off. ie we have cut 1200mm porcelain on ours, whereas the D24000 is limited to about 800mm or something like that - not sure without checking but my memory [going as rusty as my Rubi !] says its 750/850mm ish !

Hope this helps

PS - Dave at Tiletrader knows I will give a call one day - Just not yet.

So will a sigma 10M

But it costs a lot more money.

We find the dewalt saw and a 4" grinder with a decent blade along with either a hand diamond pad or an electroface diamond pad on a variable speed grinder (you can pick up a cheap one for £35 on ebay and as you only use them intermittently they last ages) plus a set of diamond hole saws is enough to do virtually anything we get asked for. When we are working with the larger format porcelain we use the larger Rubi TX snap cutters to suit the tile. We only use the wet saw where its necessary.

Terry

I have a table saw as well as the Dewalt one..

My table saw is the Rubi Diamant D200 and is well above the ND200 for quality.. iv'e had the same cutter for yrs and yrs.. it is fully stainless steel and sits in the water tray rather than a slide in one... marvellous cutter for power etc but for the amount of stone work i do then it had to be the dewalt over the Rubi dw250n i had..

For virtually unlimited cuttig length I use a Festo circular saw fitted with a diamond blade with the 3 metre guide. Beats the hell out of dragging a BAM machine to site and setting it up just for a few long cuts.

Terry

Hi Terry
I'm a big Festool fan, got a load of their gear.
I will have to start useing a diamond blade and tracks with their plunge saw for Ezystone worktops.
Once you used the plunge saw and tracks with a diamond blade, does it damage the saw or tracks or can I easily you go back to a wood cutting blade? or do I need to get another plunge saw one for wood and one for stone?
Thanks Richard

Depends what you mean by damage.....obviously it gets dusty and I am sure your average carpenter would be more than a little disgruntled if you borrowed his Festo, used it for the purpose I describe and then gave it back to him, but if like me you regard tools as items you use and abuse occasionally when justified then its fine and I regularly swap my saw from wood to stone and back as I require and its been fine so far.......but obviously your waranty is out of the window the moment you cut stone with it.

Regards

Terry

Thanks for that,
I always use Festools dust extraction with all the cutting I do, so hopfully it won't bugger up the anti-splintering devices attached to the tracks or the internails of the plunge saw.

"Hopefully" :-)

I did it as an experiment on a big job that I cold afford to write off the saw to and I cant help myself when it comes to trying alternative methods to solve a problem. So if anyone else is following in my path then good for you but please be aware that if you are using somthing for somthing other than what it was designed for then if it breaks you are on your own. However if it works and saves you loads of time you are a winner

Heres to pushing the envelope as far as tool use/abuse goes :-)

Terry

PS another little tip, buy one of those little kettle elements for heating a single cup of tea whilst camping (they work on 110 and 240) and put it in the resevoir of your wet saw whilst working outside in the winter (make sure the element cant come in contact with the tray if its plastic!) then you will find that he water that used to freeze your fingers is luke warm :-)