ross lewiss

i know what NVQ's are etc and how they along with city and guilds are the countries recongnised training certificates but what is an ASET and OCN (open college network) which one is the higher recognised qual?? are they recognised, ae they worth any thing is real terms??? i have noticed that the training centers who dont do nvq's offer these 2 types of training cerificate, so i was wondering which one is the better to have.
thanks, ross

ableskills

An ASET award is a very low award and is moreso aimed at people who are unable to cope with Intermediate Construction Awards and similar. OCN is usually obtained by training centres who do not have the facilities/staff in place to get approval from City & Guilds or Construction Awards Alliance. If you are looking to gain a qualification in tiling at level 2 to progress you to NVQ then the ICA is the route you will need, there is no other short term option available. If you have time on your side then there is every chance that a 6 week non qualification course will provide you with sufficient skills to get started in the tiling industry but you would need to be at least 3 years in the industry before gaining an NVQ. At the end of the day, be careful where you book. Make sure your chosen centre is accredited in one way or another.

Yorkie

I have to disagree with you there as your choice of words are very much incorrectly placed. I am not going to be unprofessional and make silly remarks as I would imagine that the majority of people on this forum have neither NVQ'S OR attended an ICA centre to train but i very much doubt thats because they would be "unable to cope with it" as you so boldly stated.
I will say that to hold an ASET Approval you must show quality assurance systems are in place and that the training is ABOVE standard and that you are willing to be audited annually on your systems and course delivery.
I agree that should you wish to gain NVQ'S Rapidly then go down the ICA route but personally I feel that students should concentrate on getting more practical expeirence before hand, then think about gaining there NVQ'S at a later stage although more and more centres are heading towards the ICA these days due to goverment / market pressures etc. One of the main reasons we have avoided this route so far is because of the amount of theory / paperwork involved and We pride ourselves on being a HANDS ON centre and the most important part of our training is to insure students learn how to tile firstly so they can earn a living regardless of what quals they may receive

Kenny

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If i was to reply it would have been exactly the same as diamonds comments above, Our training centre is approved by Aset and the CAA,City and Guilds, We do the EWPAR, experienced worker NVQs and thats it, we concentrate on teaching people to tile for a living in the real world and make money and not to be bogged down with the paperwork that is the ICAs, Im not saying that the underpinning knowledge of the Ica is no good, It is, im saying that its no different to the knowledge that you will reieve doing an aset award, you still have to understand what you are doing to get an Aset award, if you fail to understand you wont get one.
I have all the qualifications to deliver the ICAs and could do it, we just dont. The Aset approval is very strict and you have to be audited to make sure the standards are met continuously, The aset award is pitched at the same level of learning as an Nvq, with required units to understand and meet.
The NVQ is an assessment of your skills and thats it which is done out on site, it is nothing to do with being taught in a classroom, You could have been a tiler for years and never have attended any college or private training centre and still do an nvq.
The Aset qualification is a certificate that proves to anyone asking that you have been trained to a required standard

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ChaseTiling

Well now this has really put a cat amongst the pigeons!! lol

I have to agree with al the centres that have posted here, as most of it is fact. Personal comments such as 'hands on training', I can't really comment on.

What I mainy agree with is the fact that the ICA is the quickest route to an NVQ. There is some paperwork to be done, but not that much.

I strongly disagree with the comment made that an ASET or NOCN is a qualification that is only available to centres that are not qualified to offer a City & Guilds qualification. This is not the case, as we offer NOCN courses as well as the range of City & Guilds courses.

From a statistical point of view from our centre, not everybody wants a City & Guids Level 2 ICA, but want to know how to tile and to earn from it. They have no desire to go on site, or to get an NVQ. So the NOCN is perfect for them. And it provides them with a recognised qualification at the same time.

If centres choose not to do City & Guilds, then thats up to them. At the end of the day, Joe Public will lean towards the centre that will give them what they are looking for - and value for money. Simple as that

As i'm sure the other centres do, we just give out facts, so that Joe Public can make an informed decision on which path he wants to follow.

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ChaseTiling

Does this answer your question Ross? lol

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Dean W

Hi. Are there any level 3 tiling courses out there?

ChaseTiling

Yes there is!!

You need to look for the Advanced Construction Award (ACA). There is one available for tiling @ level 3.

We are accredited to deliver that course, but choose not to as it is very heavy on the theory. It covers a lot of supervisory management and stock checking etc. It also goes into documentation and risk assessments etc. Everything a superivisor needs to know.

We think that this is gained through experience much better and therefore recommend you do your ICA and then your NVQ2, then get some site experience and do your NVQ3.

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deanotile

Hi I am very interested in how you get to NVQ2 with no experience?