Shower enclosure problems

[Sedated]

Mike, Yes the gap between the floor tiles and wall tiles should be siliconed but TBH if it was so then i wouldnt see the water leaking out and I'd be oblivious to this!

I sprayed the shower head here


There is only 1mm of gap at the most between the tiles on wall and all around the tray so its hard to get any substantial bits of silicone where the uprights go, as said previously I think that as the gap I have filled behind the uprights was such a small gap the slightest movement has caused the seal to fail. ? I coldnt put a big blob on as the fitter put the u shaped fixing right down to the bottom of the tiles, infact it was resting on the tray.Perhaps the fitter disturbed or scraped the sealant putting the cubical back on?

[AliGage]

He does wet rooms as well!!!!!!! thats probably my living room downstairs anytime soon!

Wetrooms as well!? That's slightly worrying!

[Mike]

looking at the picture above again is the shower glass inside the channel fixed to the wall? usually there is a chrome section on the end of the glass on the shower enclosure that fits snugly into the wall channel. it doesn't look like that in the picture

[AliGage]

I think it is there, it's just the enclosure is pushed right back into it.
See if the water is coming out of the channel on the outside. Where the enclosure sits into the u shapped wall channel.

[Sedated]

This is what the shower enclosure is like and how it fits to wall (View from top)


The u shaped wall chanel is hidden with the enclosure.

[AliGage]

What shower enclosure is it? Did you say it's from Bathstore?

[Sedated]

yes bathstore
http://www.bathstore.com/files/KERRI...95/INSTALL.pdf

[AliGage]

Can you take an overall picture of your shower enclosure and one showing the installed shower

[Mike]

i've never seen one where the channel fits into the enclosure, always the enclosure into the channel

[AliGage]

i've never seen one where the channel fits into the enclosure, always the enclosure into the channel

That was my first thoughts. Don't think i've ever fitted one like that before. But it is bathstore, i've fitted quite a bit of there furniture, that can be quite challenging!

[Sedated]

Can you take an overall picture of your shower enclosure and one showing the installed shower

First of all I really appreciate your input but I dont understand your request?
I could take a picture of the installed shower, as it is insalled??

[kilty55]

i think he means can you take a picture of the enclosure as a whole and the installed shower as well??

[AliGage]

i think he means can you take a picture of the enclosure as a whole and the installed shower as well??

Yep.

From everything that has been said and described over this post i'm not convinced it's coming through the tile round the back and out onto the floor. If your insisting the silicone on the outside of the enclosure is dry when this happens then it may be a plumbing issue from say the shower.

[Sedated]

Ali. Im sure it is where I say and not a plumbing issue. It leaks when water is directed onto the corner I say.

[kilty55]

all the best sedated hope you fix it.

[Mike]

I think its the shower enclosure or channel as if the water was getting under the bottom tow of tiles it would probably seep straight down onto the floor boards and then onto the joists and ceiling but not out the side.

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[AliGage]

I agree with you Mike but sedated says no water comes through where the enclosure is fixed to the wall and the silicone is dry.

[Mike]

I agree with you Mike but sedated says no water comes through where the enclosure is fixed to the wall and the silicone is dry.

i think it's getting under the shower enclosure (where the red arrow is pointing to in post 40 pic 1 ) and is finding it's way to where the water is coming out

[Sedated]

I still think the shower is failing behind the channel
The fellas who fitted the shower came back and let the shower run for about 5 mins.
Whilst the shower was running they kept saying that the channel behind the enclosure had silicone on, yes it had as I had done it. (As previously stated the gap between the shower tray and tiles was super small less than a millimeter in some places, to me that’s not a big enough expansion gap). They then fit the uprights placing a blob of silicone on the bottom of them before fixing to the wall. so they reckon that they had fitted as per usuall.
They argued this over and over, at one point more or less saying that I must have been pointing the shower head at that area to prove a point and not really showering! And that I made it leak on pourpouse. I only directly aimed the shower head on that corner once to see where it was leaking from. Anyway if it was sealed propper why would water come out there?
I do think that with the tray slightly flexing with use, a small expansion gap and maybe them disturbing silicone by refitting shower)
…., anyway guess what happened , water appeared outside the shower.

They refuse to take it down and ask that I get a couple of plumbers in to take a look and they will foot the bill. If I get plumbers in they wont see anything anyway and it will be a case of having the shower ripped out, and I think that will jeopardise the seals on the glass and the rest of the joints on the shower enclosure. It is a prebuilt enclosure and the first time they took it out it required force I don’t think it would take much more of the same.
They also suggested getting the manufacturers involved as water could be getting through the glass seals and making its way out via shower frame!. But again even if water was getting into the shower frame then water should not breach the silicone seal in the upright channel that they swear time and time again is adiquate.

Dunno what to do, fed up!

[widler]

The fitter did suggest I silicone this bit (blue) but surely the water will get in further down (Where red arrow is pointing) , and still find its way into the wall? Following the path of the red arrows. Is this bad advise?

howdo,
i know someone said not to silicone around there,but aint you meant to sit this part of the frame on a blob of silicone as you fix it to the wall,so siliconing there shouldent matter ?
personally id say its leaking throuth that point,the wall tile when cut around the tray has not been siliconed and there is a gap and the water is sucking under the frame leg going through the gap and wetting behind the tiles. me,id seal it where the blue is and see if that works,easy enough to take off after

[lmkitchens]

I bet a penny to a pound its the seal below the fixing channel. I had the same problem when working with my plumber friend who was in a rush and assumed I had siliconed up and hadn't so the shower got fitted and sealed after. It was doing the same thing, he didn't go back and put it right though old muggins here did!

[jay]

I still think the shower is failing behind the channel
The fellas who fitted the shower came back and let the shower run for about 5 mins.
Whilst the shower was running they kept saying that the channel behind the enclosure had silicone on, yes it had as I had done it. (As previously stated the gap between the shower tray and tiles was super small less than a millimeter in some places, to me that’s not a big enough expansion gap). They then fit the uprights placing a blob of silicone on the bottom of them before fixing to the wall. so they reckon that they had fitted as per usuall.
They argued this over and over, at one point more or less saying that I must have been pointing the shower head at that area to prove a point and not really showering! And that I made it leak on pourpouse. I only directly aimed the shower head on that corner once to see where it was leaking from. Anyway if it was sealed propper why would water come out there?
I do think that with the tray slightly flexing with use, a small expansion gap and maybe them disturbing silicone by refitting shower)
…., anyway guess what happened , water appeared outside the shower.

They refuse to take it down and ask that I get a couple of plumbers in to take a look and they will foot the bill. If I get plumbers in they wont see anything anyway and it will be a case of having the shower ripped out, and I think that will jeopardise the seals on the glass and the rest of the joints on the shower enclosure. It is a prebuilt enclosure and the first time they took it out it required force I don’t think it would take much more of the same.
They also suggested getting the manufacturers involved as water could be getting through the glass seals and making its way out via shower frame!. But again even if water was getting into the shower frame then water should not breach the silicone seal in the upright channel that they swear time and time again is adiquate.

Dunno what to do, fed up!

so if im reading this right you ran the shower not directed at the screen and it leaked

[AliGage]

Have you taken a friend into the shower with you ike i suggested?
6 pages and you haven't actually found the leak yet. If you spray your shower head directly at the corner and water pools outside the enclosure you must be able to see where it comes from. It will trickle, it will flow, but you may have to get on your hands and knees to find it. Again if water directed at the corner pools outside it's more than likely it hasn't been installed correctly and sealed correctly. This is your plumbers responsability, ultimately the shower enclosure as it's fitted now is not fit for purpose. Get the plumbers back and demand they fit it correctly. Ultimately, if it was, you wouldn't have a puddle on your bathroom floor.