Shocking!!!

[charlie1]

Just spoke to 2 guys who recently attended a 4 day course at a well known tile training centre in my area (Scotland), anyway, being a tiler, they where eager to pick my brains about certain issues and i was eager to do the same to see what there training was like and from what they have told me so far, im really not impressed!! They dont seem to have any knowlage at all of different types of adhesives, primers where to use them and why??? but what I found was most shocking was there tutor told them when overboarding timber floor for tiling, use 6mm ply (nailed)??? WTF!!!.... no wonder im loosing out on more and more estimates!!

[Stewart]

On a 4 day course I wouldn't expect anyone to learn very much except the basics. As for the ply..... I still get architects specifying 6mm for their floors.

[jay]

so just out of interest if you do a four day course what does that mean
your a qualified tiler

[charlie1]

I learned the basics of tiling in 5 days, however 5 years on continualy improving, im still learning!! ..no Jay offcourse your not but this place is putting people out there in to the trade in my area, i suspect many if not all of these students will fail after 1 or 2 jobs going by what ive heard!

[Stewart]

Where are you based Charlie... If you don't mind me asking.....?

[jay]

seems like a bit of a set up to me cant understand doing a 4 day course . as they will need more training to become a basic of anything.
waste of money in my books

we have a similar thing happening down here you can do a 2 day course to become accredited as a renderer (walls bagged crap) you should see some of the results (what i mean is some of the walls when finished you could hang a surfboard on and it would look right at home)

[charlie1]

Where are you based Charlie... If you don't mind me asking.....?

Stirling, so you can prob guess the course!

[suave]

tutor at college says 6mm ply screwed at closer intervals after telling us BS is 15mm,anyone put 6mm down and had a fail?

[Brinkley]

anyone put 6mm down and not had a fail.
i personally have or would ever use 6mm ply

[Brinkley]

have not lol

[charlie1]

ive seen tiles failing when put on 6 mm ply, but this level of competence could indicate, no primer or wrong adhesive!, ive also seen tiles not failing using 6 mm plywood! still no right!

[suave]

anyone put 6mm down and not had a fail.
i personally have or would ever use 6mm ply

tiled my kitchen floor around 12yrs ago using 6mm ply,diddint know any better at the time,kitchen got revamped few yrs ago,them council boys werent happy when the tried to lift it it wasnt for moving lol

[diamondtiling]

If they dont know their stuff then they will fail at the first fence, I personally would not worry about them, the work will always come back to the real fixers.

[Dan]

Just spoke to 2 guys who recently attended a 4 day course at a well known tile training centre in my area (Scotland), anyway, being a tiler, they where eager to pick my brains about certain issues and i was eager to do the same to see what there training was like and from what they have told me so far, im really not impressed!! They dont seem to have any knowlage at all of different types of adhesives, primers where to use them and why??? but what I found was most shocking was there tutor told them when overboarding timber floor for tiling, use 6mm ply (nailed)??? WTF!!!.... no wonder im loosing out on more and more estimates!!

Wouldn't be how2tile would it?

[charlie1]

Wouldn't be how2tile would it?

Bingo!

[suave]

Bingo!

jock or joke

[charlie1]

jock or joke

Well, ive never personally met the guy but thats his name. What gets me is, you estimate for a job using the correct materials and explain to the customer why you are using them, but your allways gonna be priced too high compaired to others using substandard mats however surley this level of work can only lead to lots of repairs needing done in the future!

[Brinkley]

this is what you have to tell the customer it all comes with selling yourself and letting them know that you know what your on about.
i am quite frank with my customers and explain to them the way i do things i also let them know the pitfulls of doing things the wrong way.

[Stewart]

Same as Brinkley for me.... You can only advise and inform the customer while quoting for their work. If their motivation is to get a quality job, then 9 times out of ten you'll get it. If they're motivated by price then they don't care about quality and will go with the cheaper one.

[SandyFloor]

Probably the best input I can give is to tell you of the reasons for all the many failed tile floors I have ripped up over the years. By far the winner is 6mm ply over floorboards amounting to about 70% of them. Second place is due to lack rigidity in the floor which 6mm lacks the thickness to correct. Third place goes to 6mm ply delaminating it is far more prone to it where thicker stuff isn't. There have been other reasons but 6mm ply accounts for a vast majority of it. Absolutely incredible a tiling school advocates the use of it under any circumstances.

[CCTiling]

6mm ply nailed!!! Are they paying for this course!!!!! Like you say if someone is quoting for that and then you're quoting for instance 6mm cement boards srcrewed and 2 part addy then you will never get the job unless the customer has some sort of sense to see why they're so different or like brinkley says make sure they know the differences before hand!

[Saltire69]

Same as Brinkley and Stewart. I won a quote over your way Charlie(Bannockburn) by doing that. I was the dearest price but customer still went with me for them reasons. And How2tile is just down the road from me so i know how you feel.