porcelain 60cm by 60cm trouble laying and cutting

[bangs_18]

hi, i am new here, i am no tiler to say the least.

i have decided to lay some black porcelain in the hall way and kitcen. the kitchen is concrete and the hallway is floor boards.

for the hallway i have brought some 6mm ply and was going to put the tiles on top. i have picked up a bag of flexi adhesive which says for all tiles is this sufficient?

i hav a floor adhesive which has passed its sell by date which i got for free. cement based floor adhesive will this do, i will try get details of it. i am sure it says it does granite..if that helps?

also what will i need to cut the tiles as they are 60 by 60 too big for an 40cm wet cutter? i was offered a manual one whic cts 60cm from floors to go for 25 quid which was the last in stock and was dusty. not sure if it was capable so left it?

please help regards

jon

[hillhead]

6mm ply is not enough depth,
Do not use the out of date adhesive either.
600x600 porcelain should really be laid by someone experienced IMO.
You have to use a good flexi adhesive and gain a solid bed and think about a decoupling membrane for the floor boards or heavier backer boards.

[kilty55]

hi,6mm ply is way too thin,out of date adhesive as well get shot of it.

you will need a good cutter and a wet cutter for laying those tiles,are the 2 substrates meeting at any point or is it 2 seperate rooms?

personally if you want a decent job get a tiler in,if you dont want too though we can give you plenty advice

[faithhealer]

Sorry Jon but as above, get a pro in and he will do it correctly and it will stay down. pm dave if you need a tiler

[aph257]

As you say you're not a tiler and for doing a good job with 60x60's you need to be a good tiler. same as above 6mm ply is a NO NO. out date addy is no good and you'll need a good dry and wet cutter. so what it'll cost you to buy and then for someone to come and fix you might as well get it done properly first time. but it's your choice!!!!!!!

[doug boardley]

mixed substrates and large format tiles, not a job for an inexperienced tiler imo

[Rich]

I have to agree with the guys above. Send Dave a private message and let him know what area you are in. He will put you in touch with one of the experts on here so you know you will be getting a good job.

At the very least I would get a few quotes, you never know it might be less money than you think to get it done properly with the right materials so that you can have a floor that will stay down and stay looking great for as long as you want it to.

[tfs]

not much more can be said regarding your addy and 6mm ply etc.

It sounds like your on a tight budget?

Sometimes trying to save money can cost you in the long run unless you dont mind tile failure etc.

If you want to try and do the job right we can advise you on how to go about doing this but you will need to be willing to spend some more cash and use the right materials.

[bangs_18]

hi many thanks for the replies. this is a great forum with great members.

the adhesive was a freebe so i just picked it up. i was told as its cement based all that would happen is it would set quicker??
but, you guys saying that i will get shot of it.

i have been told i NEED porcelain adhesive, specifically for a porcelain tile?
also been told i can use this special flexi adhesive costing 40 quid a bag ben reduced to me from 50 which doesnt need any boarding on the floor boards?

all in all priced me up for 4 flexi porcelain adhesives, 1 mega flexi, grout, tile cutter manual to cut 60 by 60. all for £150... i also need a sealer for the tiles.

i have considered a tiler, been priced around 600 for labour and adhesive etc, i just felt the difference being 450 is alot. I understand the quality of finish is no measure, but, tight for cash.

will the tile cutter i described be sufficient, its the one tiles to go sell?

i am in 2 minds of doing it myself or get a pro in as the kitchen is not 100 level its quite a bish bosh!

to give you an idea of my headache:

the hallway runs into the old kitchen around 2.5 by 2, then opens into the extension kitchen which is 5 by 3.8, this extension is the breadth of the house which also opens into the lounge. the floor was level in the extension but only to the old kitchen level. The lounge was 1.5 inches higher, so if i tilled as that i would have been left with a lip. i have now cemented over to meet the lounge and try to even this out in the kitchen which already has exsisting kitchen in that i have to work around.

i hope this makes sense,

jon

[bangs_18]

im covering around 25 m2

[bangs_18]

i am based in brum,

so return the ply i will,

i have 10mm best ply knocking around, doing this would just add too much on the hall way, as i am running the tile though which opens into the kitchen this would not be possibel, hence i thought using a thin ply?

[kilty55]

hi bangs,yes you will need an adhesive suitable for porcelain

in regards to a bagged one that doesnt require over boarding the floor please never use it
your floorboards will need boarded over

polished porcelain needs to be laid pan flat otherwisse it will look awful,cheap cutters will not cope either so your not saving 450 pounds the sensible route on this occasion is to get a tiler in imo

[kilty55]

10mm ply also is too thin

[tfs]

I know some manufacturers say there addys can go straight over floor boards but in reality this is not done mate.

The guy was wrong when he said the addy will just just set faster it may not bond correctly and could fail.

Yes you need a good flexable adhesive I could recommend kerraquick or keraflex.

You realy want to get both floors as flat as possible before laying this tiles as they are the worst when fitting over floors with minor descrepancies in terms of flatness.

[Alan.P]

Your best bet is to take up the floorboards and replace with 18mm wbp ply, as well as strengthening the joists if needed, there really is far more to your job than just sticking the tiles down, look around the forum, there are some huge threads where we have guided people, it can be done BUT, it's gonna be quicker, not cheaper, in the long run, and you know the job is going to be right, as said, get someone approved by admin to quote.

[bangs_18]

if 10mm is too thin for overboard what do you reccomend, again trouble is i have to run tiles from the hall way through to the old kitchen?
i was thinking the 6mm board and that 50 quid bag product?

[Alan.P]

As I've said, rip out the floor boards, noggin where needed to improve areas of weakness, use a WBP ply to the thickness needed, minimum of 18mm, 6mm ply will give to much, no matter what adhesive and price your paying, the tiles will break and grout joints will crack.

Sorry if that sounds like a rant, but what you want, and the way you want to accomplish it are two way different things.

[Alan.P]

And we haven't even touched on expansion joints yet mate, where wood meets concrete substrates etc

[bangs_18]

cheers taken on board.

how do i find dave?

im based in b'ham

[Rich]

You can click on 'community' at the top of this page or you can go into the forum, find one of his threads and click on his name, then find 'send private message'.

Id like to agree with what the guys have said above. They are more than happy to spend as long as it takes to give the advice that people are looking for but when the only real advice is to get a pro in, there is not much more to say.

Can you let us know how you get on, feel free to post any pics

[Alan.P]

DAVE


Click his name and all is revealed

[Rich]

Even better you can click on the link that Alan has just put up above... I didnt know you could do that

[timeless john]

This must be an early April fool!

[Alan.P]

This must be an early April fool!

Or just inexperience, we have tried to show the OP and he has, I think, listened, knows now it's not just a case of sticking tiles down, and will ( I hope ) get the job done by a pro.

[timeless john]

6mm plywood, adhesive past its sell by date, concrete and wood flooring - all in the first post -

[Alan.P]

6mm plywood, adhesive past its sell by date, concrete and wood flooring - all in the first post -

I know, recipe for disaster and it does seem ott, just goes to show,it's a scary world, I would hate for the OP to have his nice tiles go in every direction, we can but inform and hope.

[365drills]

Dont forget your cutters! (For Holes)



Happy New Year !

[deanotile]

if you want i can come and give you some advice on what you will need to do i am from brum you can pm me or contact me on 07813638469 you have a number of options but 10mm ply and out of date adhesive is not one of them.

[bangs_18]

thanks i have decided to go with a pro i will try and show you before and after shots.

regards