Speed Challenge from Tileution

[Tileution]

Hi All,

Any of you guys/girls up for a speed challenge man/woman against machine as a bit of fun and to prove a point in the new year?? I might put some money on the table that is there for any one who thinks they can beat the Tileution to walk away with - I'm putting my money where my mouth is!!

any takers

rgds
Stuart

[doug boardley]

I think we may have the man Stuart

[brinkley]

how much start

[brinkley]

stuart my u playing up

[Tileution]

do you mean how much head start am I giving you

[brinkley]

no how much money are you waging on it

[Tileution]

lets see how much interest we get and I'll think about rigging up a venue maybe,

like your style - got to dash as apprentice is on

Stuart

[YourTiler]

Have you paid the guy spreading from the bucket to go slow, or is he naturally slow.......

So the challenge - just spreading adhesive is it ?????
From a bucket (so it's wall adhesive??)

[kilty55]

okies,just spreading addy?

in reality you need to setup tools and also clean tools at end of day,does this challenge include cleaning the machine down and also setting it up against a tiler who only has to open a bucket and clean a trowel or two down? i dont really know how your machine is cleaned to be fair but i was interested in the answer?

also in regards to speed in troweling adhesive,a lot of floors walls are not flat so tiles need packed out /back buttered......is it going to be faster to setup the machine to trowel say a floor then clean and put it away and get the hand trowel out to then back butter and pack out to flatten the tiling?

not being negative towards this machine stuart just think the speed test is not really a real life test imo unless the machine back butterrs and levels also although i stand to be corrected

[kilty55]

stuart one other thing i thought off is this machine based at say a commercial job of a large floor?

[Tileution]

Hi all previous posts, certainly seems to be generating some interesting comments and I'm happy to explain maybe in more detail in the morning . So ill keep this short

There are two types of machine vertical semi automatic and floor fully automatic , the wall machine you see in the video clip can be spun round upside down so you use the automatic nozzle on the floor like you would a trowel it quick and immediate, the floor model fully automatic.- let's be serious vertical machines are for more smaller areas and the fully automated for larger areas the bigger the area the bigger the benefits - machines don't get tired they go on and on , cleaning is simple if you use a fast setting cement based product you make sure you don't let it go off before the next batch is fed in if it does go off the hose is so cheap you will have saved yourself the cost of the hose 20 times over anyway

Hope this helps a bit more keep the questions coming as I said its all a bit of fun and I'm thinking about how much to put up for a proper challenge I typed this on me blackberry.

[Tileution]

Fogot to say also yes kilty55 vertical machine does back butter tiles too - good question thanks

[cjones]

well done..... youve solved a problem that didnt exist... amazing

[kilty55]

well done..... youve solved a problem that didnt exist... amazing

sorry youve lost me?

[conceptceramics]

If only all floors were that smooth, we'd all be millionaires!!, That guy needs to buy himself a decent trowel and learn how to apply adhesive properly...poor effort, my 3 year old son could apply ady better than him, and hes got a better trowel..lol

[Bolter]

I reckon by the time you have got the machine out, set up and a mix in it and mixed, I would have finished spreading that bit of floor and started laying tiles

[Rob Z]

For maximum bond strength, all material should be flat troweled on the substrate before being combed out. I don't see how this machine can accomplish that.

For wide-open areas, this might be cost-effective, especially if there is a crew that is organized and can be supplied with tile and keep up with the spread rate of material.

This reminds me of the guys that claim they're so fast because they use racks, but that is only effective on a limited number of jobs and for certain types of tile.

[Tileution]

Have you not heard that time is money!!!

[Tileution]

The bigger the job the bigger the benefits. Machines don't tire out human beings do hence the challenge - if you think you can beat it and are up for a challenge then let me know. The surface / substrate does not need to be perfect.

[Dave]

if you think you can beat it and are up for a challenge then let me know.

Right.. we have a few who are saying this and saying that.. Then come on take up the challenge.. after all what have you to lose....?

[Bri]

Ok I'll jump in. Organise a venue, and I'll come and play (subject to availability!). I love a challenge!

[Rob Z]

Have you not heard that time is money!!!

I think most of us have heard this one. But, what is more important to me (and many of us here) is doing a job as well as can be done, and to be long-lasting, because that is the source of continued referrals.

I am curious to hear a response to the concern that this machine can't achieve full bond strength because the material isn't keyed into the substrate first before being spread and notched.

[Tileution]

Yes thanks Dave I agree.

[Dave]

Ok I'll jump in. Organise a venue, and I'll come and play (subject to availability!). I love a challenge!

Ok a list is created..


1: Brian J..

please add your name if you are up to it.

[kilty55]

what exactly is the test,,see how fast you can trowel a floor or wall properly against the macines speed?


or a reality test where you spread addy then have to tile an area as wel.................just out of curiosity say you were spreading addy over an area,then stopping to tile it,what would be the situation with the addy in the machine do you have to add a certain amount at a time

for example the tiler would have worked out how much mix he was going to do on lets say a 3 metre or 4 metre area,spread,tile,spread tile so on so on

can the machine take smaller amounts of addy say you were using rapid sets on a warm day can you quarter fill the machine? and also if you can do you have to wash it out etc before re doing another quarter bucket?

another thought i had on the machine was is ther any point in spreading huge amounts off addy in a competition over a large area? how are you going to get back to tile it if you trowel a square 8 sqaure metre square for example


not being negative jusy curious do you have any links to more vids i can watch at all thatd be good ta la

[kilty55]

okay my brains started working after my glayvas last night hehe

this machine i think you said you had 2 sizes,are they aimed at commercial sized work or also site and domestic bathrooms etc?

what kind of time saving would youget for example on a 200 square metre shop floor by using this machine in man hours compared to the tiler troweling it himself?

also do you have estimated costs for this machines sale price or are any outlets already selling it mate i can look at online?

[Tileution]

okay so we are now getting some people up for the challenge , there are many different products we all know so what is the preferred square metreage to tile and what product - needs to be a sensible size as I said bigger the area bigger the benefits and then I can have a think. The machine is normally a two man job so please consider that - one man laying adhesive the other laying tiles for best performance and time saving.

I will answer the other valid points tomorrow, if thats okay. Also thanks for Dean for calling me on xmas eve with some very valid questions/clarifications so far we have tested the machine with a lot of BAL,Weber and PCI products and it has been very impressive. And I will go over what parts of the british standard the machines comply with.

at the end of the day Tileutions aim is to make money for the tiler and put money in your pocket.

[Bolter]

The machine is normally a two man job so please consider that - one man laying adhesive the other laying tiles for best performance and time saving

We're allowed a labourer aswell?

[Alberta Stone]

I can see some limited uses for a machine such as this.
First, mastic is not the preferred adhesive, I never use it for anything....ever.
I always mix mortar of whatever kind is suitable for the job and that you cannot run through a machine.
So for commercial walls where there is a large crew to keep up with the mastic spreader so that you don't get skinned over adhesive would be essentially the real application for this machine.
For a small operation it is too much effort and expense.
Others have already made very valid points.
And who really cares how fast the adhesive goes down, it is how well it is applied and how well the tiles are set into it.
(not that I don't appreciate the effort to make such a gizmo)

Plus, surfaces are rarely if ever in perfect shape and need lots of prep work, sometimes with rush jobs the prep time is limited so you compensate by adding more thinset in places as you are setting tiles to get a level bed.

[mikethetile]

ive been in the building game for over 30 yrs and have seen a lot of ideas come and go, some of the gadgets that have made it were invented by the tradesmen to make the job quicker and the idea picked up and developed by the tool manufacturers

the problem is that once the operation was speeded up the price dropped and the tradesmen had no choice but to invest in the new kit in order to earn less than they were before

this idea hasnt been a development of a time saving idea invented and passed around by the tradesmen doing the job. if it did succeed and reduced the m2 time taken to fix tile, no one would earn extra from it as the m2 price would drop on commercial work