Stone Does Not Work

[deanotile]

I agree that the current NVQ system is insufficient but what do you propose a tiler or “stone fixer” gives a prospective employer to indicate there skill level. Or do we go back to just put them on a job and if they are no good sack em. A qualification system can be a good thing, if the government stop insisting that you must pass a student even if my 6 year old can tile better than them.

[wetdec]

Then that is exactly the problem we have got ourselves in as a country. They sacrificed tradesmen for qualifications.

Its progress (or not) 1st they opened skill centres and we had so called brickeys and plasterers running about after 10wks training now we have NVQs where if you pass the course you are qualified.

Tag the NVQ onto 3 yrs recognised employment make people learn their trade before they hit the streets that way those who really want it will pull through and the country will not be full of wanabe tradesmen who just went to college. Make courses spercific, floors, walls, wood, concrete limestone, slate, granite,sealing so guys learn the basics without getting crammed full of everything in a week.

Stop stupidity like associations promoting different companies products like we have just witnessed and make instruction collective not spercific, Gouverning bodies should be impartial and there to encourage and help. There are at least 6 systems that can be used for fracture displacement of stone yet we are presented with 1 dont make me laugh thats not advice on a level playing field for those learning thats blatant promotion.

It has all become about money rather than pride in having done your best its up to these gouverning authorities to stop the rot and reverse it the rest will follow as tradesmen are born again.



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Originally Posted by deanotile

I agree that the current NVQ system is insufficient but what do you propose a tiler or “stone fixer” gives a prospective employer to indicate there skill level. Or do we go back to just put them on a job and if they are no good sack em. A qualification system can be a good thing, if the government stop insisting that you must pass a student even if my 6 year old can tile better than them.

that systems never let me down

[deanotile]

Ok so we do away with the NVQ and invent a new qualification that means something to the hard working tradesmen of the industry but what do we call the new qualification my vote is for:

Trade
Operative
Stone
Specialist
Education
Rating
( no swearing)for short unless you can think of a better name

[TilingLogistics]

Originally Posted by deanotile

Ok so we do away with the NVQ and invent a new qualification that means something to the hard working tradesmen of the industry but what do we call the new qualification my vote is for:

Trade
Operative
Stone
Specialist
Education
Rating
( no swearing)for short unless you can think of a better name

I can do better than that!!!

We could also create another qualification for time served tradesmen who knock all newcomers and people who do short courses and then go and earn themselves extra money by teaching those same people part time.

Hasbeen
Yammers
Peeved
Off
Cretins
Raking
It
Training
Everybody
Senseless



Kev

[garythetiler]

most time served tradesmen welcome new people into the trade and its timeserved tradesmen supporting this forum sharing tips that they have learnt over the years
what is un acceptable is inexperienced learners claiming to be fully skilled SPECIALISTS after short courses, i will happily employ any one who has done a course but refuse to pay them the same rate of pay as some one who has 5 years plus experience ,regardless whether they have qualification or not

[TilingLogistics]

Originally Posted by garythetiler

most time served tradesmen welcome new people into the trade and its timeserved tradesmen supporting this forum sharing tips that they have learnt over the years
what is un acceptable is inexperienced learners claiming to be fully skilled SPECIALISTS after short courses, i will happily employ any one who has done a course but refuse to pay them the same rate of pay as some one who has 5 years plus experience ,regardless whether they have qualification or not

Gary,

You are missing the point its not a slur against time served tradesmen or the help they give. As I hope Deanotiles post was not a slur against people who do short courses

Kev

[garythetiler]

any way thanks dave for posting the details of the stone federation i normally ring them when i do stone jobs and have always found them very helpful

[Dave]

No probs gary.....this thread was starting to go off track then.......

[TilingLogistics]

Originally Posted by garythetiler

any way thanks dave for posting the details of the stone federation i normally ring them when i do stone jobs and have always found them very helpful

Gary,

As a matter of interest Are you a member of the stone federation?

Kev

[garythetiler]

Originally Posted by TilingLogistics

Gary,

As a matter of interest Are you a member of the stone federation?

Kev

no i am a small tiling contractorthese days, i have worked for several stone firms over the years including geoffry pikes,diespecker,euromarble,ulteriors and the marble and granite centre also installed 7mm fibre glass backed l marble wall linings on the qe2 and done external granite cladding

[TilingLogistics]

Originally Posted by garythetiler

no i am a small tiling contractorthese days, i have worked for several stone firms over the years including geoffry pikes,diespecker,euromarble,ulteriors and the marble and granite centre also installed 7mm fibre glass backed l marble wall linings on the qe2 and done external granite cladding

Just interested! I was trying to get unbiased feedback from a current member

Kev