Discuss tubbed addy in the Tiling Forum at TilersForums; started a job yesterday walls aprox 400m2 200x100 glazed floor tile for the walls , were not supplying anything , upon getting on the job the adhesive tubbed supplied by ...
started a job yesterday walls aprox 400m2 200x100 glazed floor tile for the walls , were not supplying anything , upon getting on the job the adhesive tubbed supplied by ceaser ceramics which i have used before on small ceramics .
any way informed the site agent thats this addy aint any good for these tiles ,we need a white powdered addy i.e weber mapei, he said the architect wants this addy for the wall tile , but there not a wall tile although obviously you can put them on walls but not with this addy .
so he rings up the architect who says this addy is fine , the tiler does,nt know what he is talking about .right you will have to sign something saying that i flagged the addy up , but you said i must use it ,about 100m2 of the tiling is wet rooms , not happy think ill have another go 2 morro with them .FOOLS
its so annoying ,but im not going to lose job over a stupid architect, i will explain the pit falls for using this type of addy again in the morning,if they dont listen thats it ,the tiles go on the walls
Don't worry all you need is a C.V.I (confirmation of verbal instruction) Just type or write something up along the lines of -
To Confirm Verbal Instruction to proceed with tiling using P.V.A adhesive as supplied by client.
Make 2 copies, 1 for you & 1 for the site manager or whoever signs it
architects should know as they will have discussed with manufacturers but then again they dont know best when it comes to actual installation e.g. what if there are dips in the wall and you need to apply to a depth greater than recomened by manufacturer. try calling manufacturer to see what they say.
This is mad! I thought architects are the guys who know the most about standards, the amount they have to deal with, surely he'd at least double check somewhere before just putting his foot down?!
Ahhh, just noticed this was yesterday so I guess we'll see what's happened today then.
Just a point, no matter what you get in writing, you as the fixer are responsible for the job, if you use materials not suitable for the purpose and it fails, you are responsible.
Just a point, no matter what you get in writing, you as the fixer are responsible for the job, if you use materials not suitable for the purpose and it fails, you are responsible.
Alan i beg to differ if the architects specify what materials are used then it is not the fixers problem if they use specified materials,all materials will be specified prior to installation and will be noted on drawings etc,hence its not the fixers problem if the tiles fail as long as they have gone to the architects spec,end of story.
Regardless of the what the fixer thinks the architect is to blame for not checking,if they fail the fixer then says i have used the adhesive etc that was specified and it will be in writing on all the elevation drawings on site,hence fixer is covered as long as they use specified materials
Alan i beg to differ if the architects specify <SNIP>
Regardless of the what the fixer thinks
There is a thread somewhere that states the law /s on this and sorry, but you as the fixer ARE responsible for the installation no matter what and who says "it will be ok" if it ain't right, don't use it, if it fails the buck stops with you the fixer.
Sorry mate but i disagree,if you say the adhesive is not suitable then use a diffrent one from what is specified then you as the person who changed said adhesive are liable for every tile that fails(if it does).
Architects specify for a reason(right or wrong)legally if they say use a material and it fails they have no leg to stand on,trust me i have been down that round.
Alan P to my knowledge is right, Phil Hobson tells a story about a Scot who advised , got a waiver and still was held liable for a failure. Duty of Care comes to mind. Get the Tech rep from the adhesive company down and give you a spec, follow it to the tee. Architects rely on others a lot of the time for info, could be this one has maybe been mis informed, or is just plain arrogant, if he still baulks after you have tabled all your concerns, consider walking away, could cost you a fortune, not easy I know, ok Mate seya Steve aka ozboz
ok lets say you start a job you have the spec sheet the elevation drawings with the specs on and you follow the specs,no court in the world can blame you for using said materials ,i know as a fact if you have the above then you are not liable,been there done that.
The only time you can be held liable is if you supply the materials and you used the wrong spec.
And just to add if you think your using the wrong materials and make it known to the builder,then it is there responsibility to get the rep out not the fixers.
As the architect works for the client not the fixer or the builder.
To play devils advocate, if I was a Doctor and knowingly gave a patient the wrong medication because the surgeon told me to, I would still be liable if that patient then became ill!
Just because it is on the spec, does this make it right..?.. If i was given a spec and it was wrong then i would speak up and show the architect where he has gone wrong..
To say it is in the spec so just do it , is ludicrous IMO.. No court will support a waiver you sign if you knew it was wrong to do so in the first place, if you fix anything that does not comply within BS 5385 then as a fixer you are liable.. simple as that.. no matter what the spec says the architect is wrong and should be told so..
Architects get it wrong as well you know,, after all they are human..
well we started tiling the walls with the addy i was,nt happy was all going well did approx 35m2 .
for the site agent to come in and inform us that he had made a mistake and these rooms were no longer tiled .
i cant repeat my reply .
site labourers took all the tiles of the walls , at least we are getting paid for it
the site agent has spoke with architect again who insists we use the addy provided, the agent has signed a form drafted by my self stating we were not happy with the addy, and will not be held two account for any failures
Just a point, no matter what you get in writing, you as the fixer are responsible for the job, if you use materials not suitable for the purpose and it fails, you are responsible.
This is very good advice. Me personally I would only use ready mixed adhesive if I was laying vinyl/pvc floor covering.
i get what u are saying and totally agree ive seen the drawings and it specs tubbed addy what more can i do apart from refuse to do the job .
been in this game over 25 years and know about the right materials to use , but they wont budge at all on adhesive,my hands are tied
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(well I'd imagine it applies to architects as well!)
its so annoying ,but im not going to lose job over a stupid architect, i will explain the pit falls for using this type of addy again in the morning,if they dont listen thats it ,the tiles go on the walls 
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