Fitting Trim Correctly

[jackal792]

Hi All,

Just wondering if there are any guidelines to how trim should be correctly fitted, I'v tried searching the forums without any joy.

Just wondering about the following points:

Is lippage is acceptable and how much (mm)
Should the trim be flush with the tiles
Should there be any movement after the trim has been fitted
Should there be any space/gaps between the trim and tiles.
Are sharp pointy corners acceptable

If anyone has photo's of trim they've fitted that would be really helpful

Cheers

[Sir Ramic]

Lippage, No
Flush, In my opinon Yes
Movement. No
Gaps, ermm well some leave a grout joint and others dont. I dont !
Sharp corners ? you can get corner pieces to give a rounded edge.

[Colour Republic]

As above but I leave a gap to grout most of the time, it depends on what i think will look better with the tiles you are using at the time

[faithhealer]

Sometimes I leave a 'smidgen', of a lip if it conceals a cut edge, but always try for flush and I always use rounded corners where possible as I think it looks a more pro finish

[jackal792]

As above but I leave a gap to grout most of the time, it depends on what i think will look better with the tiles you are using at the time

Wowsers..... that is phenomenal.... Never through I would say this but I have tile envy....

What is the trim made of? Was the 3 way trim joint in the first picture difficult?

[Colour Republic]

Wowsers..... that is phenomenal.... Never through I would say this but I have tile envy....

What is the trim made of? Was the 3 way trim joint in the first picture difficult?

Thanks

There is a very good thread on here that explains how to do it... let me find it...

here you go

Cutting Tile Trim | 3 Way Mitre with Pictures

[Bathfix Bob]

That 3 way mitre cut is fantastic, the thread in question has a picture of a close up, I've set it to my desktop wallpaper so I can memorise it.

[jackal792]

Comments welcome on the following pictures... basically need to explain to our builders why our tiling is not to a 'professional' standard in writing.
Seems as though they have used the wrong size and fitted it badly.
Trim under window sill
Trim.jpg
Trim on step loose 1
UnfixedStepTrim3.jpg
Trim on step loose 2
UnfixedStepTrim.jpg
Top of window sill
WindowLippageTop.jpg
Loose on step 3
UnfixedStepTrim2.jpg
The step (corner is really sharp, we were told there was no other trim that could have been used for this)
StepSharpCorner.jpg
Under window trim
WindowLippage.jpg
Soil pipe trim
SoilPipeGrout.jpg
Trim above window
TrimAboveWindow.jpg

[Bathfix Bob]

It seems its an okay job but spoiled by the finishing touches, this is very comman among some fitters, they just want to get in done and go.

I'm a sucker for detail and will happily spend another half day on a bathroom doing the detailing when most other guys will have called it a day.


Have you paid them for the work Jackal?

[Stewart]

I always fix the trim securely, with a grout line. As to fitting flush it depends on the tile, I prefer to finish flush if the tile is smooth, but if it's a rough tile, I finish to the highest point. I always use metal trims, so sharp edges are a no-no. I also use a trim that is 2mm thicker..... than the thickest part of the tile. A lot of tilers match the trim to the edge of the tile, but when they have a cut edge, they find out the trim isn't wide enough.


IMG_0531.jpg

[Colour Republic]

It seems its an okay job but spoiled by the finishing touches, this is very comman among some fitters, they just want to get in done and go.

I'm a sucker for detail and will happily spend another half day on a bathroom doing the detailing when most other guys will have called it a day.


Have you paid them for the work Jackal?

You haven't seen the other pictures yet Bob! Jackel posted them a few days ago. There is a lot of lippage especially under the window

This one springs to mind

[jackal792]

Yep they've been paid! I now need to prove that the job isn't to a "professional" standard, we'll likely need an independent report so we need to be sure of ourselves before pursuing this, basically I want to write them a letter but work in facts rather than opinions....
So even though we can see the lippage we want to be able to say... XXXX states deviation.

I was told that the tile tolerances i.e: how flat they are between joints can be within 3mm but seems a lot.

tile tolerances
This thread seems to say under 1mm for 6mm joints.... I think the tilers used 4mm spacers.

[deanotile]

i may be wrong but i think the 1mm for 6mm tolerance is for the size of the joint not the lipping

[devonmark]

to me it looks like the trim they've used is to big for the tiles...hence the gaps

[Colour Republic]

i may be wrong but i think the 1mm for 6mm tolerance is for the size of the joint not the lipping

i thought the opposite.. if the joint is 6mm or less then lippage can be no more than 1mm, but then I could be wrong

[jay]

from the pics we have recieved to date the job is not up to standard trim used to big lippage is more than noticable good luck

[Colour Republic]

from the pics we have recieved to date the job is not up to standard trim used to big lippage is more than noticable good luck

Cheers mate, i'll try harder next time

[deanotile]

i thought the opposite.. if the joint is 6mm or less then lippage can be no more than 1mm, but then I could be wrong

looks like i'm going to be going through the BS5385 again

[Colour Republic]

looks like i'm going to be going through the BS5385 again

BS5385 part 1 section 4.1.8.2

There should be no appreciable differential in level across joints and the maximum deviation between surfaces across joints, including movement joints, should be as follows

1. Joints less than 6mm wide - 1mm deviation
2. Joints 6mm and over - 2mm deviation



maybe we are both right?????

[deanotile]

My mistake it states..... Their should be no appreciable difference in level across joints and the maximum deviation between tile surfaces either side of a joint including movement joints should be as follows .....joints less than 6mm wide 1mm..... joints 6mm wide or more 2mm.

[deanotile]

lol

[Dave]

But wot makes this stand out more is the chamfered edge.. ..



Dean mate,, A decorator putting you right,

[jay]

Cheers mate, i'll try harder next time

didnt mean your work color meant the job in question

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your good

[Colour Republic]

You're joking right?

I am.. I hope to good you were

[Colour Republic]

Dean mate,, A decorator putting you right,

Oi!!!! Master decorator i'll have you know, but you can call me multi-trade

[deanotile]

put right by a paint splasher i can never show my face in the tilers arms again.

[jay]

put right by a paint splasher i can never show my face in the tilers arms again.

not bad for a poo polisher

[Colour Republic]

put right by a paint splasher i can never show my face in the tilers arms again.

No worries, if you want to learn anything else about tiling just drop me a PM Deano




























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[deanotile]

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ok you knock on my door im not coming out

[Dave]

Can i just add at 3:21 am..

We tilers aim for zero lippage whilst Decorators do at least try to spell it..