Tiling Around Door Frame

[DazJWood]

I am in the process of tiling my bathroom with travertine.
My door frame is flush with the cement board walls and I am wondering the best options with regardings to tiling this area. If I remember there was skirting or arcatrave (whatever it's called) around this area prior to me ripping the old plasterboard walls out.
Is it the usual practise to put this arcatrave back up and then tile upto it?
I was wondering what other options there maybe as I quite like the idea of not having the wooden surround back on the frame. I like the idea of just having the tiles. If I did this though do I tile upto the frame, which would mean the tiles would stand proud and then the frame wouldn't be flush. If I tile over the frame to take the tiles flush with the inside of the frame then I am guessing I could potentially then have the door clashing with the tiles on closure.
I'd appreciate any advice anyone can give on their experiences or chosen methods.
Thanks,
Daz

[doug boardley]

yep Daz, put the architrave back on and tile up to it, leaving a 2-3mm gap right round for a silion bead after grouting. Don't grout this gap as it will only crack out and will counteract the benefits of using silicon.

[DazJWood]

Thanks for the response.

Can it be done without the architrave or would it look odd?

My tiles are thick travertine tiles around 12mm thick. This plus around 3mm adhesive means it would be 15mm thick off the wall. The architrave that was removed is probably half as thick, if not less, so would mean the tiles would look odd with the step down to the architrave. I suppose I could buy different thicker architrave.

I just think it may look better without the architrave there at all.

Any further opinions?

Thanks,

Daz

[mikethetile]

you can but dont use addy on the wooden lining

bring the tiles over the lining about 5mm to cover the joint and silicone

[jay]

yep Daz, put the architrave back on and tile up to it, leaving a 2-3mm gap right round for a silion bead after grouting. Don't grout this gap as it will only crack out and will counteract the benefits of using silicon.

id do as doug says the arks help to strengthen door jamb wich can move a lot with door opening and shutting ect

[mikethetile]

the architrave is only a decorative strip to cover the movement joint between wood and plaster, its not structural and doesnt hold the lining, if you have a loose lining the architrave will pull off

[jay]

so you can take arks off and jamb wont move at all (try it) they make a difference just my opinion

[mikethetile]

so you can take arks off and jamb wont move at all (try it)

thats right, the lining has to be rock solid as it has a door swinging in it and if theres movement it will worsen with the door continously closing into the jamb

arcitrave is only pinned on and will pull off a loose lining

and yes I have tried it, loose linings are a common problem that you come across when retro fitting doors, the first signs being a crack in the paint where the architrave meets the lining

ive fitted thousandss of linings on sitework and hung doors into them, the architrave is fitted last in case theres movement that needs dealing with, the architrave is a decorative cover mould and has no structural use in the door frame

if your finding movement when removing architrave then you need to refix your lining

[jay]

fair call we will have to agree to disagree on this one

[heavytrevy]

Ive done a few with the arc removed , just have the trav finish in the same position as the arc, make sure u give the trav a slight bevel to finish.
I recon it looks great , very modern and clean.

Trev

[Stewart]

You can remove it, but in my opinion it looks rubbish and unfinished, even if you polish the edge of trav or use a trim with tile, it always looks like there's something missing. I always remove the architrave (facing) plate the standards (door lining) to finish flush with the tile, then install a new set of facings on top, which then comes over the tile, giving a much better finish. I do this in every bathroom I tile.
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[DazJWood]

Ive done a few with the arc removed , just have the trav finish in the same position as the arc, make sure u give the trav a slight bevel to finish.
I recon it looks great , very modern and clean.

Trev

Thanks,

When you say have the trav finish in the same position as the arc, what exactly do you mean? Are you saying bring the tile up to the edge of the door lining? Or do you mean just overlap where the lining meets the cement board?

Daz

[DazJWood]

You can remove it, but in my opinion it looks rubbish and unfinished, even if you polish the edge of trav or use a trim with tile, it always looks like there's something missing. I always remove the architrave (facing) plate the standards (door lining) to finish flush with the tile, then install a new set of facings on top, which then comes over the tile, giving a much better finish. I do this in every bathroom I tile.
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I am not sure I understand the sentence "I always remove the architrave (facing) plate the standards (door lining) to finish flush with the tile". Could you please clarify?

Thanks!

Daz

[Dan]

You can remove it, but in my opinion it looks rubbish and unfinished, even if you polish the edge of trav or use a trim with tile, it always looks like there's something missing. I always remove the architrave (facing) plate the standards (door lining) to finish flush with the tile, then install a new set of facings on top, which then comes over the tile, giving a much better finish. I do this in every bathroom I tile.
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That's a beautiful job mate.

[doug boardley]

You can remove it, but in my opinion it looks rubbish and unfinished, even if you polish the edge of trav or use a trim with tile, it always looks like there's something missing. I always remove the architrave (facing) plate the standards (door lining) to finish flush with the tile, then install a new set of facings on top, which then comes over the tile, giving a much better finish. I do this in every bathroom I tile.
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when I've worked north of the border I've noticed that does seem to be the way it's done Stewart
Daz, facing is the scottish term for architrave

[mikethetile]

you need to bring the tile over the joint to hide it, but dont fix the overlap with addy as the vibration will transfer through to the tile, use silicone on that edge

[Martyn Leeds]

Could create a door frame/architive with the trav tiles.
100mm strips, mitred in the top corners. I've done a few and they tend to look good. Finish nice & flush with the rest of the wall tiles.

(when i get a wire for my camera i might upload a pic if i can work it out)

[Dave]

Travertine dado's ( chair rails) look good as finishings as well.

[Martyn Leeds]

I know that this thread seems to be solved, but nNow that I'm a whizz at uploading pictures, I thought I'd give you a visual example of what I was on about the other day!

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[mikethetile]

I like that martyn

[DazJWood]

I know that this thread seems to be solved, but nNow that I'm a whizz at uploading pictures, I thought I'd give you a visual example of what I was on about the other day!

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I like this idea but am a little confused about levels and how it's been done as I can't really see in the photo.

Could elaborate a little more as I think it looks really good so may try to do the same?

What tiles have you used and what tile is the architrave made from? Is the architrave constructed by butting up the tiles without spacing (grout space).

Have you tiled right upto and over the edge of the door liner and then added the architrave on afterwards. If so, does the door not sit quite deep in the frame?

Thanks,

Daz

[DazJWood]

Martyn, could you elaborate?

[diamondtiling]

Martyn, could you elaborate?

He will when he comes on or you could send him a pm and it might end up in his email inbox.

What he has done with that door is not easy, can you get some scrap tiles and practice mitred corners? Its not a job for a beginner in my opinion.
Good luck

[DazJWood]

Yeh can practise on scrap tiles.

[diamondtiling]

Yeh can practice on scrap tiles.

Practice makes perfect.

[Freyanne]

Yeh can practise on scrap tiles.

Is correct. PractiSe = the verb - I practise, you practise, he/she practises

Practice makes perfect.

Is also correct. PractiCe = the noun - that which is practised!

The benefits of having an English teacher for a father.

[Martyn Leeds]

Hi Daz,

I've sent you a message - This is a close-up of the picture i posted previously (this is the top-left corner of the door frame).

I hope its a bit clearer...

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[Martyn Leeds]

I like this idea but am a little confused about levels and how it's been done as I can't really see in the photo.

Could elaborate a little more as I think it looks really good so may try to do the same?

What tiles have you used and what tile is the architrave made from? These are 60x60 Limestone - frame cut into 60x10 strips
Is the architrave constructed by butting up the tiles without spacing (grout space)
No butting up, all 2mm gaps between main tiles & each archi tile

Have you tiled right upto and over the edge of the door liner, and then added the architrave on afterwards. no - I think it was 5mm or maybe 10mm from the edge.
If so, does the door not sit quite deep in the frame? this replaces any wooden architrive you'd normall have. Door sits normally.

Thanks,

Daz

I hope its getting clearer!