Questions about tiling quality

[charlie1]

I do get what you are saying mike, im not entering in to the whole discussion of if he should pay the builder, thats up to him. Im only trying to find out if his tiles are gonna fall off the wall by themselves! to do that, we need more info

As you know you cant allways guarantee the correct coverage by combing too, we have all saw this!

[mikethetile]

why are you concerned if the tiles will fall off or not

they have been incorrectly fixed which is not what the clients paying for, any client not just Nooker

I am also concerned that you are now suggesting that serrating the addy is no better than dotting

so in answer to your earlier question

yes I have issues with the advice your giving as I believe it to be incorrect and misleading

I also have issues with you suggesting that a poster pms you for advice rather than advising openly on here , where others can question the advice you are giving

[jay]

forums don't you love them
dot and dabbing tiles is not good practice
yes i have seen tiles hang on for years like this
but that was different times different adh and normally primed
so if you know how the tiling was done
no dust on walls and make up of walls
were they primed and with what
what adh was used and was it mixed correct
were tiles pressed firmly onto walls and yes every tile
what we know is tiling work carried out looks below standard and dot and dab ed


would you let your child wife or girlfriend use this bathroom with confidence

as i said remove all tiles and do it right

[charlie1]

ok - you wont drop it so on wee go!

why are you concerned if the tiles will fall off or not

Please read carefully before posting!!, this is nookers concern - not mine! but I would have thought it would be quite obvious why anyone would have concerns about this risk!!

they have been incorrectly fixed which is not what the clients paying for, any client not just Nooker

I am also concerned that you are now suggesting that serrating the addy is no better than dotting

Again mike please read carefully - im not suggesting this at all!!!, what I am saying is I have seen examples with tiles fixed using proper serrated method and achieving poor coverage due to other bad practices, i.e., wrong mix, no back butter, adhesive skinning or tile not being pushed in firmly enough!!


so in answer to your earlier question

yes I have issues with the advice your giving as I believe it to be incorrect and misleading

Again mike, please read carefully - I never asked you a question!! I made a statement! and to suggest my advice is misleading and incorrect then you are a bit out of order!!


I also have issues with you suggesting that a poster pms you for advice rather than advising openly on here , where others can question the advice you are giving

I could net give a sh17 if you have an issue with me offering help to someone who clearly needs it as that’s one of the reasons I'm here!!

[mikebidd]

Lads this probably isnt my place to say this.
But you too argueing on the blokes thread isnt exactly nice so why dont you pm each other or start a new one, Again mike and charlie i KNOW you are both more qualified than me.
I just dont think it looks well.

[mikethetile]

I dont understand your replies

dotting is incorrect and shouldnt be employed, any tiles that are dotted need to come off and be replaced using the correct fixing method

we cannot advice someone their tiles are sufficiantly adhered by sending them off to tap them and report back nor can we gaurantee that tiles that appear to be adhered now wont disbond once the bathroom is in use

it is dangerous and misleading to suggest that its ok to leave tiles fixed with this method and I dont understand why you are advising it

[david campbell]

i agree with mikebidd if you's are at odds over each others advice can you please contact each other through pm's as this is getting a bit out of hand and we are here to help the poster of the original thread

it looks bad for the forum guys

[charlie1]

As I have previously said! I do not disagree with mike on the correct way of fixing the tiles! He just seems to be missing my point!!, I will repeat again!, the best possible solution to this would be to remove and redo using the correct method of fixing and the builder takes the bill!

However I am thinking of the bigger picture here when giving advice to nooker, the last thing I want is to fuel a dispute that could potentially lead to the builder walking if it is not necessary, we have to realise we do not know all the facts here! one tile has been pulled of by nooker and everyone is now saying big nono.. ffs we know this is not the right way of fixing them but without assesing the situation properly and giving out advice which has resulted in nooker sacking his tiler is unproffesional IMO!! and i will say again, going by the coverage on the tile in the pic, and if its cement based? then i dont think his tiles will simply fall off!

[mikethetile]

im not going to continue arguing this point as we are getting no where

ive stated my case time and time again and im not going to repeat it

others have made the same point

[charlie1]

..... and others have reinforced my point too mike

[diamondtiling]

..... and others have reinforced my point too mike

I cant see any thanks for your posts Charlie apart from nooker himself so they have not been endorsed. I completely disagree with your point about a sacked tiler, the guy is not a tiler in any shape or form if he dots and dabs. To even suggest that the tiles could stay on is completely un professional, they will over time crack and get broken because of the voids behind them. It is very doubtful that the grout will remain intact and the whole installation should be removed and installed by a pro not a chancer. Mike's information has been spot on right through this thread, yours has been suspect in a few instances by even suggesting that tiles could be left on the walls. There is one way to fix tiles and that is with 100% coverage, its not hard to achieve.

[charlie1]

I cant see any thanks for your posts Charlie apart from nooker himself so they have not been endorsed. I completely disagree with your point about a sacked tiler, the guy is not a tiler in any shape or form if he dots and dabs. To even suggest that the tiles could stay on is completely un professional, they will over time crack and get broken because of the voids behind them. It is very doubtful that the grout will remain intact and the whole installation should be removed and installed by a pro not a chancer. Mike's information has been spot on right through this thread, yours has been suspect in a few instances by even suggesting that tiles could be left on the walls. There is one way to fix tiles and that is with 100% coverage, its not hard to achieve.

By timless John

"
Having seen the pictures of the tile that has been taken off it has about 60% coverage! As long as you do not need to drill where there is no adhesive and assuming the plaster wall was primed - you may find the tiles fixed will be okay.
Obviously it should have been solid bed fixed but its your decision on the way forward - taking into account the cost of replacing the tiles/ repairing the walls - or leaving as is if you are happy with the standard of tiling.
You may find it easier to get a new tiler if he is going to undertake the full job.
You should however make sure the builder is aware of your concerns with reference to this workmanship before you remove any of the tiles and ask if he would like to remove them before the problem is exacerbated and he has to repair the walls!
Administration will be able to provide a tiler to estimate in your area if you supply your location.
"

........ so, is timeless John giving unproffesional advice too???, i think we have both suggested that the tiles probably wont fall off by themselves!!

As said before, the only evidence in relation to the weight tollerance issue we have is 1 photo of 1 tile with 50 -60% coverage removed from wall! Dont you think we should be asking some more questions??

Another thing!, you say the only way to fix tiles is by 100% coverage! comon!! if you think its easy to get 100% coverage all of the time then i'm afraid your kidding yourself, dont mean to be disrespectfull but thats very wishfull thinking! just because you look at the bisc of a tile and its compleatly covered and substraight too, this dont mean there is 100% adhesive coverage between tile and substraight!

[diamondtiling]

Another thing!, you say the only way to fix tiles is by 100% coverage! comon!! if you think its easy to get 100% coverage all of the time then i'm afraid your kidding yourself, dont mean to be disrespectfull but thats very wishfull thinking! just because you look at the bisc of a tile and its compleatly covered and substraight too, this dont mean there is 100% adhesive coverage between tile and substraight!


Charlie back off and go and have a coffee and relax a little. If you are going to continuously argue with the points raised and posted then I dont have the time nor the inclination to humour you.

[mikebidd]

I think you all need too stop. Give your heads a rattle and realise the poor bloke is asking For advice on a "proffesinal" tilers website. This arguement should be moved onto a different thread.

I think everyone agrees that dotting and dabbing is wrong in one way or another and from my own opinun. Nookers next step should be too get a pro in too assess the situation. That way he can have the facts when talking too the builder about it.

Nooker what area are you in mate? and some one near might be able to help.

[Scott]

Well said Mikebidd, i just read it and it reminded me of squabbles i used to read on other less quality forums, regardless of who is right or wrong!

[charlie1]

Another thing!, you say the only way to fix tiles is by 100% coverage! comon!! if you think its easy to get 100% coverage all of the time then i'm afraid your kidding yourself, dont mean to be disrespectfull but thats very wishfull thinking! just because you look at the bisc of a tile and its compleatly covered and substraight too, this dont mean there is 100% adhesive coverage between tile and substraight!


Charlie back off and go and have a coffee and relax a little. If you are going to continuously argue with the points raised and posted then I dont have the time nor the inclination to humour you.

Dimond, I dont need to calm down, its you thats banging your head! Take it easy

However I did ask your opinion on timlessjohns reply regarding tiles falling off wall! Is he giving out dodgy advice too??

[charlie1]

nuff said i think!!

[Dan]

I agree.

Please only reply now if you're helping the customer/member out.

[Colour Republic]

Nooker,

Regardless of the debate going on about the dot and dabbed wall tiles, it must be said that if you have any floor tiles that have been fixed with this method then they will need to be removed as without adhesive supporting the full tile then they are likely to crack when pressure is applied i.e. walking on them

Good luck

[charlie1]

Nooker,

Regardless of the debate going on about the dot and dabbed wall tiles, it must be said that if you have any floor tiles that have been fixed with this method then they will need to be removed as without adhesive supporting the full tile then they are likely to crack when pressure is applied i.e. walking on them

Good luck

Totally agree!

[nooker]

Just read the thread, thanks for all the information everyone. When I get a chance I will bring in a professional to sort out the tiles.
Again, thanks everyone.

[jay]

hope it workes out in your favor nooker thanks for the update

[Rob Z]

Hi Nooker,

I've done a lot of inspections on jobs that were like yours. None of us here can form a full and comprehensive opinion of what it going on at your house with just a few photos. I think you will be well-served to hire a professsional tile setter to come and evaluate your job and to give you an opinion about both the good and the bad, and to provide advice of how to go forward from here.

Pay this person for his time at your house, and then you will have the peace of mind and the confidence to negotiate with your builder and tile contractor (I think I read that you are having an addition built). I don't think you need anything formal, such as a written report, but you do need for someone to look at the job and to spend an hour or so with you, explaining what your options are. And more than just negotiating with your builder and tile contractor, you need to know what they already should know. It's one thing to get them to agree to do it over again; it's another to ensure that they get it done correctly the second time.

I've been posting and participating on tile and stone forums since the late 90's (which in Internet time is a lifetime ), and I've seen and read of thousands of situations like yours. After all these years on the internet, I have also developed a keen sense of who knows what they are doing, and I'm confident when I say there are quite a few first-class tradesman on this site. Dave and Dan would be able to point you to one that is close to you and might be available to help you get this thing sorted.

Best of luck with this.

[Phil Hobson]

Nooker, Good advice from Rob Z. If you can get a pro. recommended By Dan or Dave from this forum ,you would get an impartial profesional opinion. If I were in your area I would do it gladly foc.

[Pebbs]

I missed all this! and now its given me a headache!

Pebbs