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    lo all

    was doing a job for lady earlier in the week and she was a social worker, an old dear in her care and due to a fire at her home had to get her home fixed up and as she had no home insurance it was up to a cash strapped council to try and fix, the council tried to get things fixed as best they could,

    she asked if i could pop round and have a look at the toilet to see how much it would cost to tile a bath surround and behind the loo, 10m2 all in as the tiler she had lined up couldnt do it

    had a look and saw the state of the old dear and it hit me how little we look after the elderly in society, i know some do, i put both my neighbours bins in and out every week as they are old and even cut there grass would take me 2 half days as id have to work it round my other work but i told her id do it for free for her, i had some 430 x 300 tiles in my hut gathering dust and 30 quid on grout addy and trims would do the job

    said to social worker i would have to have a space above the door bout 10mm as i like a full tile above the bath but i could fill it in with grout and as above door it wouldnt really be noticable and as it was a freebie she couldnt really moan

    its not best ive done but really didnt have a lot of time to do it

    id urge anyone here to contact their local social services to see if theres any work that may be required for free or heavily discounted as i felt quite good that id helped someone who needed my help

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    Andy,

    That's a very credible thing to do, good on you .
    With regards to a full tile off the bath, I tend to check a couple of points before I start.....

    1. Find the lowest point of the bath and start the full tile from there. It looks a lot better to have nibbled the tiles so that the appearance of a full tile is all the way around the bath rather than unsightly slithers.

    2. Mark your start point with regards to the rest of the room so that you can carry a full tile around the corners without leaving horrible slithers at the door architrave or other corners / features.

    Your pictures do not necessarily show the full room layout or other issues that you had to overcome, but from what I can see you could have set the room out much more professionally had you applied a bit more thought.

    Good on you for doing a freebie, but your reputation could be hampered by rushing the job mate.
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    yep, gotta agree with cap'n. A good deed no doubt, and good on you for it. But better setting out would have been better imo

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    trust me it was either the 10mm above the door or it would have been a crap job, social worker and wifey delighted with it

    the whole room was out of square and this was unfortunatley the only option i had, as said not my best but it was eu=ither this or nowt lol

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    Do use a sigma for the fine cuts
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    bath was level so no low point to start from and walls splaying all over the place, had to pack out top 3 rows by 10mm to keep level

    the set out near the door wasnt my choice, they wanted full tile near the architrave although it wasnt central to the wall, tried to advise but this is what they wanted so done it

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    nah ate genesis 600 or my ts 60

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    Okay, pic number 2 has a 10mm slither above the bath, if you had dropped the tile to loose the slither, would that have not eliminated the 10mm above the door?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Slow View Post
    Andy,

    That's a very credible thing to do, good on you .
    With regards to a full tile off the bath, I tend to check a couple of points before I start.....

    1. Find the lowest point of the bath and start the full tile from there. It looks a lot better to have nibbled the tiles so that the appearance of a full tile is all the way around the bath rather than unsightly slithers.

    2. Mark your start point with regards to the rest of the room so that you can carry a full tile around the corners without leaving horrible slithers at the door architrave or other corners / features.

    Your pictures do not necessarily show the full room layout or other issues that you had to overcome, but from what I can see you could have set the room out much more professionally had you applied a bit more thought.

    Good on you for doing a freebie, but your reputation could be hampered by rushing the job mate.
    valid points capn but this is how the wifey wanted it, centred on back wall and full tile from door to corner near bath wall, 4 tiles filled the other wall so no probs there, wasnt my choice to set out this way done what the woman wanted lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Slow View Post
    Okay, pic number 2 has a 10mm slither above the bath, if you had dropped the tile to loose the slither, would that have not eliminated the 10mm above the door?

    As I said previously, I can only go by the pics, I wasn't there

    good eyes capn but this slither is actually a filler strip from the end of the bath to the wall as the joiner didnt box it in high enough and the bath was 30mm shorter than the older one leaving a gap from bath to wall that had to be filled, the tile above this is actually the first full tile which runs round the rest of the wall

    looked from above it like a mini shelf just over an inch wide lol

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    Good on you for doing a freebie. Personally I think charity starts at home so i cant be working for nothing, i d rather make my usual donations to charities than work for nothing.

    By the way is there such a thing as a square room? I've never found one!

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    well done pal, very gracious of you to give up your time ,to help them out
    i would,nt make a habit of of though, top man
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    I dont understand why you chose to post pictures of badly set out work ?????

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    free jobs your in biusness mate to make money you do free jobs you rush it ,as you said not your best work but its still your name on it.

    top man for doing it but be carefull every one might expect a freebie
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    Quote Originally Posted by andy allen View Post
    free jobs your in biusness mate to make money you do free jobs you rush it ,as you said not your best work but its still your name on it.

    top man for doing it but be carefull every one might expect a freebie
    could not have said it better Andy

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    good on ya you could have put a small quadrant around the door no one would be any the wiser

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    Andy - you big softie!
    Although well intentioned and I for one applaud your social awareness, the thread would have been better without the photos! Only you know the condition of the room prior to tiling and as you stated 'its not one of your better jobs'.
    I reserve judgement on the tiling but award you the TJ good deed of the month award for community spirit - well done young man!

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    One happy elderly lady then.. and i saw that it was not a slither and that is was where the bath did not fit wall to wall.

    Shame about the top of the door bit but my tip is don't always let customer advise how you set out.

    Thanks for sharing this job with us and also for making an oldy lady happy.. good for you mate.

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    Mate, I think its great that you did a freebie for the old dear, and to be perfectly honest, and at the risk of being contreversial, I very much doubt that she gives a monkeys about setting out, and doing a freebie for an old dear will score you much more reputation points than a bit of iffy setting out.

    I doubt that the social worker is going round saying you didnt set out perfectly, I doubt she has even noticed, and realistically how many prospective customers who hear about your good dead are actually going to go round and inspect your work before speaking to you...... probably zero.

    But I bet she has told countless people that you did the good turn.

    Good on you mate for taking your two and a half days unpaid, I fore one would buy you a pint if you were ever down my neck of the woods.

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    there is a saying what go's around comes around and you are due for a good turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Slow View Post
    Andy,

    That's a very credible thing to do, good on you .
    With regards to a full tile off the bath, I tend to check a couple of points before I start.....

    1. Find the lowest point of the bath and start the full tile from there. It looks a lot better to have nibbled the tiles so that the appearance of a full tile is all the way around the bath rather than unsightly slithers.

    2. Mark your start point with regards to the rest of the room so that you can carry a full tile around the corners without leaving horrible slithers at the door architrave or other corners / features.

    Your pictures do not necessarily show the full room layout or other issues that you had to overcome, but from what I can see you could have set the room out much more professionally had you applied a bit more thought.

    Good on you for doing a freebie, but your reputation could be hampered by rushing the job mate.
    I totally agree.

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    Think thats lovely for you too do mate.

    The wifes a carer and she gets allocated 20 mins 4 times a day at elderly peoples houses. Alot off them have family that dont bother at all an they sit in lonley by them selfs which i think makes them worse. But when they eventually die the family all rush round for the will like voltures.

    Even when there in hospital dieing the family dont come and the wife sits there with them. She does get too attached.
    The wife is alot like you and will put her self out she goes in her own time (what little she has) and takes them out for the day or shopping or one 93 year old likes a macdonalds now and then.

    She doesnt get anything out off it But because shes done it a few times they sort off expect it now. So where as she used too get 2 days off a week she now gets none really she also used to be a hairdresser so she does most off there hair FOC as well.

    She is a good person for doing it but its now expected rather then appreciated.

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    good on you andy!

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    Very good of you mate

    Any chance you can come and cut my grass? Ive got about 20linear mtrs of leylandi needing trimmed too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oli View Post
    Mate, I think its great that you did a freebie for the old dear, and to be perfectly honest, and at the risk of being contreversial, I very much doubt that she gives a monkeys about setting out, and doing a freebie for an old dear will score you much more reputation points than a bit of iffy setting out.

    I doubt that the social worker is going round saying you didnt set out perfectly, I doubt she has even noticed, and realistically how many prospective customers who hear about your good dead are actually going to go round and inspect your work before speaking to you...... probably zero.

    But I bet she has told countless people that you did the good turn.

    Good on you mate for taking your two and a half days unpaid, I fore one would buy you a pint if you were ever down my neck of the woods.


    i totally agree with you mate, i think the fact that this bloke decided he would help this lady out in his own time for free deserves a medal . fair play to you son. i dont think the state of the tiling (good or bad) dosent come into it.

    its a shame a few others on here cant put there greed aside and do a good deed for someone in there comunity.

    hat off to you fella

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    Quote Originally Posted by why tile View Post
    i totally agree with you mate, i think the fact that this bloke decided he would help this lady out in his own time for free deserves a medal . fair play to you son. i dont think the state of the tiling (good or bad) dosent come into it.

    its a shame a few others on here cant put there greed aside and do a good deed for someone in there comunity.

    hat off to you fella
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    Whytile Greed has nothing to do with it, i have 3 kids and a massive mortgage to pay, therefore i do jobs for pay not for free.

    I know its only text but sometimes its difficult to judge the tone in which its meant

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    I agree with Mikebidd in some sense but I do think it's perfect practice to do free jobs.

    And I don't agree with the greed thing. It's getting tough right now and it could get a lot tougher. We need to horde all the cash we can get, and not with banks either! Under the pillow has better interest rates. (Buying BP shares has more IMO).

    I had "mates rates" and that's as low as I could go, and I'd NOT book them in but get everything ready at their home and call them on a whim when I'd just been let down. Payment at the end mind, or in stages if they're a bit hard out. They should have you to help you out at your normal price and be happy it'll be done correctly if they're real friends and know your good. So doing it half price and passing on trade discount will be cheaper than anything they can get, and still helps you out. So win:win. Free jobs are win:loose unless they have something to give back, or like in this situation, you're doing a good deed for the sake of a good deed. I'd only do one a year though! Else it risks your own business and that then risks even your friends jobs if you sell your tools. And you need to look after those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whitebeam View Post
    What does that comment actually mean and what are you implying
    ok greed was the wrong word to use, appoligies for that.

    all i was trying to say was this bloke has done a good deed and maybe more of us should take leaf out of his book,(myself included)

    instead of telling him he shouldnt do anything for free no matter what the circustances.

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