wastage allowance confusion.............

[tilermandan]

Heres hoping you guys can help me with a small querie. For ages now I have been pricing large areas of wall tiles on a rate but am unsure as to when I supply and fix the tiles do I need to allow or try to work in the wastage allowance so that I am not paying for the wastage allowance I throw in the skip. When I measure on completion do I add it then? Sorry if this is not very well explained but am a little confused. What does everyone else do in these situations? Thanks in advance.

[Dave]

+10% to measure...

[tilermandan]

thanks Dave so its not worth trying to work it in then or am I complicating things for myself? If I try andadd it on and as per usual my measurements get checked by qs and he spots it whats the best way to handle it? sos for all the questions.

[Dave]

Is this site work..?

[united]

I allow 10% for a straight set job and 20% for diamond.

If I measure up I add the wastage amount and tell the customer the amount of tiles needed so they know how many to get or how many I'm getting... Does that make sense?

[shogun rua]

thanks Dave so its not worth trying to work it in then or am I complicating things for myself? If I try andadd it on and as per usual my measurements get checked by qs and he spots it whats the best way to handle it? sos for all the questions.

Just say you might have a bit of the tile you cant use after you cut hence the 10% waste

Remember you dont add the 10% in your quote

as long as you make sure you have 10% more tiles than your measured

[tilermandan]

Yea Dave its site work mate.

[deanotile]

on site you only book the tiles on the wall not the wastage

[tilermandan]

thanks deanotile so in effect we pay for the 10% wastage then? do you try and gain it back some how?

[diamondtiling]

thanks deanotile so in effect we pay for the 10% wastage then? do you try and gain it back some how?

Are you supplying the tiles?

[kilty55]

if your supplying tiles mate then you add the wastage

[Sir Ramic]

If you are fix only on site you will only get paid for whats on the wall/floor.
For me its 10% wastage when measuring to quote.

[tilermandan]

yea im supplying the tiles but not sure how or where to add in the waste.

[Ajax123]

does the QS actually need to know about this 10%. You know it is a requirement and surely you add the cost of this onto your price. You can use this positively woth some buyers by saying it is a "fixed price" with no hidden extras.......or am I oversimplifying

[diamondtiling]

When you measure the area to be tiled and its say 200 mts then you add 10%, so 220 mtrs of tiles, you charge the customer for the 220 mts of tiles and then charge for what you fit.

[shogun rua]

yea im supplying the tiles but not sure how or where to add in the waste.

The job is 17 sm2 you buy 19 sm2 you use 17sm2 plus say 1.7 waste

you quote 19sm2 and tell him he can keep the spare tiles because you have no use for them

[jamie B]

if it's site work then odds on the QS will be giving half your tiles away to his brother in law/mates/people he meets in the pub anyway!..just lie...everyone else does ha ha ha!

[Richardk]

If its a large format tile, I ask the customer to get 15% extra for wastage.

[diamondtiling]

if it's site work then odds on the QS will be giving half your tiles away to his brother in law/mates/people he meets in the pub anyway!..just lie...everyone else does ha ha ha!

There is a chippy in Dudley that has walls and floors tiled in Fitness First spec? I went in one day and thought wtf! turns out one of the Labradors had been pinching them, he got the push.

[Dave]

There is a chippy in Dudley that has walls and floors tiled in Fitness First spec? I went in one day and thought wtf! turns out one of the Labradors had been pinching them, he got the push.

Thats one clever Dog.....

[diamondtiling]

Labrador is my pet term for Labourer.....................


"who will move all the tiles?"

"the labrador will"

[merlecollins]

Just add 10% to all your materials - i.e. tiles, adhesive, grout, pegs, etc. - total all the costs up then divide that by the original nett metreage figure. This will give you your m2 rate for materials including your wastage. Then add what you would charge for labour only, including travel, fuel, expenses, etc.

[deanotile]

Ok I’m getting confused now if it is site work and you are supplying the tiles you will invoice the builder for say 20m2 of tiles but your labour will be for 18m2

[merlecollins]

Yes but no

You do actually invoice him for the full cost of the 20m2 but only show him it as 18m2.....

Example:

10m2 job (nett measure)
add 10 % wastage = 11m2 gross including wastage
say the tiles are £10 per m2
so the cost to you would be:
11m2 x £10 per m2 = £110.00
Now divide that by 10m2 (nett measure)
So you charge the builder £11 per m2 for the tiles-this rate would then include your wastage...
Now apply the same formula to the adhesive, grout, pegs, etc....
then add your per m2 labour only cost and you will be left with your supply AND fix m2 rate.
Is that any clearer?
If not PM me the details of the job and I will price it for you