silicone(lack of!)

[bluesky]

hi guys , got a call to do some repair work for a customer . turned up to see 3 bathrooms and 1 wetroom where either there was no silicone at all in the corners (- just badly cracked grout )or silicone that was now not covering the joints due to excessive movement i.e. wall tiles meeting floor tiles now upto 10mm gap .
have been asked to completely redo all silicone work removing old etc .
i also don`t think there is a tanking kit in the wetroom (1st floor ) and have said that i can only cover the gaps as is and can`t guarantee there wil be no further movement in the future .
the work was done by the `builder `apparently - he`s not around now! i think there is probably a days work but did wonder if it was just me finding this as i`ve lost count of the number of showers i`ve seen that have had leaks , only to find that there was no silicone on the vertical corner joints . i will always silicone every internal corner .am i the only one?

[whitebeam]

No mate, I silicone all internal corners

[hillhead]

Me too! Take no chances and use good quality silicon!

[doug boardley]

me too, and don't grout where silicon is being used

[dagger]

i always leave 2mm around all perimiter edges for silicone expansion!

[diamondtiling]

what a good thread, to all the tilers that grout their corners thinking that it will make siliconing easier, dont do it, silicone has a role to perform and it is not to hide your grouting, leave it out of corner joints and if you seriously cannot silicone then hold your hand up and get someone who can, if you want to learn then you will.

May the fairy liquid be with you.

Amen.... hic...sorry

[timeless john]

There must be an ad for cornertape coming up soon!

Timeless John.

[faithhealer]

There must be an ad for cornertape coming up soon!

Timeless John.

think you just did John

[Diamond Pool Finishers]

i cant silicon for the life of me!! fingers to big mrs say they are like pork sausages!

[heavytrevy]

Sure u can and like a pro go to the arts and craft store and buy 100 paddle pop sticks and be on ur way

Trev

i cant silicon for the life of me!! fingers to big mrs say they are like pork sausages!

[peckers]

I always use silicone on all internal corners, tile to tile/tile to bath showertray, tile to work top etc, if its white being used then i use dow corning, if its coloured silicone then i use the mapai silicone,
But when im doing tile to celing i use a good quality waterproof decorators caulk, This is so when the ceilings are painted in the future they can paint right up to the edge of the tiles..
But you do see alot of jobs where there is no silicone present and they have just filled it with grout which just cracks away after time and it doesent leave any expansion.
Or they have used clear silicone over the top of the grout which is a waiste of time!!

[macten]

Remember to always pull the silicone and not push it.

[Diamond Pool Finishers]

as a pool finisher silicon is a big no no you never do intersections ever!!!

[peckers]

as a pool finisher silicon is a big no no you never do intersections ever!!!

Hi gooner, I have tiled a couple of swimming pools, but this was about 12 years ago I was working with a pool contractor in guernsey, we diddnt use silicone on pools either, everything was grouted!! The adhesive and grout was arditex and we did put alot of addys in.
As you are experienced in the tiling of pools why is there no need to use silicone on the internal corners? is this because the substrate is the same all the way around and if there is any movement that it would all move at the same rate?
Does the chemicals in the water affect the silicone?
I never thought to ask when i was helping with the pool tiling..
just a matter of personal interest thanks steve...

[Dave]

As TJ mentioned...for those that are rubbish at free hand siliconing then use Cornertape.


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[larmar]

I always silicone internal corners in every corner not just the shower area corner , if the top needs doing round the ceiling use decorators caulk so it can be painted in future , round bathroom and kitchen windows its the same decorators caulk not silicone

[Diamond Pool Finishers]

yes steve the chemicals in the water discolour the silicon and break it down

[garythetiler]

i have just printed off this thread to show a customer who has complained that i siliconed all internal joints in their wet room shower upstairs above their kitchen apparently they have been in loads of bathrooms and never seen this done before and their decorator says its not nesscessary as grout is waterproof and the corners should be grouted , the sales assistant where they bought the tiles told them it wasnt needed too ,I couldnt be bothered to argue with them to be honest, just said i would be happy to remove the silicone but would ask them to sign a statement stating that i had installed it but they asked me to remove it and went against my recommendations in doing so, some people do my head in

[doug boardley]

i have just printed off this thread to show a customer who has complained that i siliconed all internal joints in their wet room shower upstairs above their kitchen apparently they have been in loads of bathrooms and never seen this done before and their decorator says its not nesscessary as grout is waterproof and the corners should be grouted , the sales assistant where they bought the tiles told them it wasnt needed too ,I couldnt be bothered to argue with them to be honest, just said i would be happy to remove the silicone but would ask them to sign a statement stating that i had installed it but they asked me to remove it and went against my recommendations in doing so, some people do my head in

maybe the decorator or sales assistant should have done the tiling then Gary hope you get satisfaction mate