Mosaic Tile Mesh Murder!

[mckinnna]

I'm new to the game and I've used one coat of Fila Colour Intensifier to seal 25mm slate mosaics before fixing them. Once dry I fixed them to the wall and after I had done a metre or two I had a break. When I returned to the room there was a strong impact adhesive gluey smell (you know the gluesniffer type). I thought this was strange, it was nothing like tile adhesive or Fila Intensifier (sold in Topps).

Anyway it transpires that the colour intensifier has reacted with the glue that fixes each individual mosaic to the mesh and semi-liquified it. This has created some slippage of each tile as the adhesive is setting, or as the customer says 'wonkiness'.

I now am investigating conflict between Fila and the tile manufacturer, and naturally getting bogged down. The instructions, Topp's Management & Independant advisers all say that sealing before fixing is ok and should definately not cause this problem.

Has anyone experienced this before??

The customer is blaming me for not realising the problem immediately, however I checked application techniques before I started!

Thanks

Neil

[david campbell]

when i use sealers i tend to remove the excess of with a clean dry cloth after 20 minutes,i have never heard of it reacting with the adhesive
where you using a mosaic fix or tubbed adhesive?

[mckinnna]

I was using BAL Rapidset with AD1. This was checked with BAL technical because I wasn't experienced enough to be sure what was best when tiling over existing ceramics that were requested not to be removed .

[jay]

hi sounds like it comes down to experiance never had that happen are you sure they havent saged you still need to space even on mesh

[mckinnna]

David,

I've just twigged what you really said. No No The Fila colour intensifier did not react with the tile adhesive it reacted with the glue which pre-fixes the tile to the mesh!

[mckinnna]

Jay, I'm pretty sure because the mesh glue ended up on my hands and the smell was too strong

[timeless john]

Mckinnna - When you sealed the mosaic i'am hoping that it was just the face of the sheets you sealed! I don't see how any sealant/colour intensifier should have got on the mesh unless you were over zelous in the amount applied.
As you stated that you have tiled on top of other ceramice tiles and due to the impervious nature of the surface, i would suggest that this has caused the 'wonkiness' as the mesh has become soft from the weight of the mosaic, and that the smell is just through your re-introduction to the room after a break outside. With all heavier stone mosaics it is worth pegging the joints to maintain an equal gap.

John.

[mckinnna]

Guys,

Changing the subject for a moment, I've just compiled a lengthy descriptive post in repy to the previously respectfully received input but I lost the damn thing as a result of generating it from an e-mail link to the site. I did get interrupted and maybe i was time-out somehow.

Moderators do I have to re-compile my response or do you know some way of retreiving the text on my computer?

I'm not brilliant at knowing how best to use any forum software techniques. Is there a tips n tricks guide?

I'll return to the main thread debate once I know the answer to this

Thanks Neil

[david campbell]

this does sound like you have covered the entire mosaic in the colour intensifier,personally i would have glued the mosaics to the mesh and then applied the colour intensifier after they had dried out on the wall to only the face of the tile,if you have covered the side of the tiles you may have problems grouting,as it might not bond properly to the tile

[Dave]

Guys,

Changing the subject for a moment, I've just compiled a lengthy descriptive post in repy to the previously respectfully received input but I lost the damn thing as a result of generating it from an e-mail link to the site. I did get interrupted and maybe i was time-out somehow.

Moderators do I have to re-compile my response or do you know some way of retreiving the text on my computer?

I'm not brilliant at knowing how best to use any forum software techniques. Is there a tips n tricks guide?

I'll return to the main thread debate once I know the answer to this

Thanks Neil

You were just timed out and NO we cannot retrieve text that wasn't posted in the first place..

[Terry Cottar]

only thing i can think is you must have plastered itwiv sealer and the solvent carrier in the sealant has busted the glue down???

tel