Help!: No screw door stop on tiles with UFH

[ErnS]

I need to fit a door stop on floor tiles with UFH. A couple of months ago I found a web site advertising a range of stops designed to be fixed without screws. Unfortunately I'm now unable to find the site. Can anyone point me in the right direction or recommend a no-screw door stop.

[Alan.P]

I can't think of a screwless option, only an overhead door closer type stop, sorry, got me stumped, or what about a skirting mounted stop ?

[mike walker]

try sticking it with gripfill or nomore nails that sort of thing and see if it works

[ErnS]

Thanks Alan / Mike - The door is to a bathroom and the stop is needed to protect a ladder towel rail. An overhead closer would be a bit over the top and a skirting stop would have to be too long to clear the rail.
If I can't find the suppliers web site or another screwless option I'll probably try the nomore nails option.

[mikethetile]

you can with care fit a stop if you purchase one with the dowel that sits in the floor

you will need masking tape around your bit as a stop to prevent the bit from going deeper than the tile, then stick it down instead of screwing down

the dowel will prevent the stop from moving

i used some non screw stops a while back on altro flooring, they had a sticky pad , once stuck down you couldnt move them not even by banging the door against them

brilliant

till the cleaners mopped water around them for a few weeks

then we got recalled to replace them with screw down type and mastic around to keep the floor water tight

they were supplied by the main contractor so i dont know where they came from but i havent seen any since

all the other door furniture came from lloyd worrall so id try them first

[oogabooga]

Mike, I think perhaps he'd still be worried about damaging the UFH (the dowel method). If so another option would be to use clear epoxy to stick it down.

[365drills]

Let me offer you a solution.

The reason you want a doorstop WITHOUT a screw is because you are afraid of piercing the underfloor heating. (and I dont blame you )

Solution:
1) Cut a 16mm plug (or core) out of the tile. Only drill deep enough to disturb the tile. Do not drill deeper into the adhesive. It will look like this.



2) Carefully remove the adhesive underneath to check and see if you have exposed the pipe.

3) If you have not hit the pipe you can go ahead and drill down to install a standard rawl plug.



4) Place your doorstop over the plug then used an over-long screw to reach down to the rawl plug.

5) You should fit your nice doorstop.



What can go wrong?
If you are really unlucky you will have drilled out the core slap bang over the top of the pipe with no room for manoeuvre.
If thats the case you can either fill the plug with no-more-nails and fix the stop (but I doubt it will hold) or you can buy a wider doorstop and re-drill a new fixing point.

[ErnS]

Thanks for the suggestions guys. I still prefer the option of a specialised screwless stop and will continue to search for same - for a few days at least. If I can't find one then I'll probably try the clear epoxy and if that's not successful will try Richard's drilling suggestion - I already have a set of those fantastic Porsadrills so another opportunity to use them!
The only problem there would be that my UFH is a wired system and its buried in SLC. I suppose if I used a good wire detector I would be OK.

It's all a little bit frustrating really since before finding the web site I mentioned initially I was expecting to used a screwed stop and would have mapped the wire position before tiling so that I could drill without fear.

[WHID to?]

Would something like this help?

Pin Door Stop,Hinge Pin Door Stop,Pin Door Stop Suppliers,Hinged Pin Door Stop

I may have gotten the wrong end of the stick but this looks like a possible solution. Although I know you don't really want anything close to the hinge under normal circumstances (levers etc) this may be worth considering..

This supplier is in India (apologies) but I would have thought something similiar would be available over here....

[365drills]

Thats OK. Drilling a plug out is a very permanent action so doing it would need you to be committed.. You would end up poking about with a screwdriver to remove the dried adhesive when exploring.

Yes Hindsight is wonderful on jobs like this! I wish I had mapped out all my walls and floors prior to covering them.

Having laid a full sandwich of self levelling compound, adhesive and then the tiles it was a mystery as to where the UFH pipes were buried....

[keraldine]

Not sure if I am getting the right idea but could you not put it on the door frame ? It will prevent the door opening as wide but will protect yor towel rail

[ErnS]

I see what you mean but it wouldn't sit very well on the grooves and shaping of the architrave moulding and with the leverage effect there could well be too much stress on the hinges or compressive damage to the door.

[macten]

Surely a skirting stop doesn't have to be very long if it is positioned close to the hinges?

[cornish_crofter]

Let me offer you a solution.

The reason you want a doorstop WITHOUT a screw is because you are afraid of piercing the underfloor heating. (and I dont blame you )

Solution:
1) Cut a 16mm plug (or core) out of the tile. Only drill deep enough to disturb the tile. Do not drill deeper into the adhesive. It will look like this.



2) Carefully remove the adhesive underneath to check and see if you have exposed the pipe.

3) If you have not hit the pipe you can go ahead and drill down to install a standard rawl plug.



4) Place your doorstop over the plug then used an over-long screw to reach down to the rawl plug.

5) You should fit your nice doorstop.



What can go wrong?
If you are really unlucky you will have drilled out the core slap bang over the top of the pipe with no room for manoeuvre.
If thats the case you can either fill the plug with no-more-nails and fix the stop (but I doubt it will hold) or you can buy a wider doorstop and re-drill a new fixing point.

Taking this idea further, one option is to dispense with the plug and screw completely and sit the door stop in the tiled surface. Fix it down with some rapid set.

[tile55]

There is a product on the market called 'Stick Like S...' Yes it really is! no joke.

This stuff is seriously good for sticking things down when you don't want them to come up again, costs about £6 a tube.
If you have a door stop already then you can take out the screw and just stick it down.

[mikethetile]

dont position the door stop at the hinge side of thedoor as the hinges will pull out of the frame

the stop must be positioned at least 3/4 along the door

[cornish_crofter]

Get a sliding door

[cinderellaballe]

Hi, I think you might be thinking of the German 'nie wider bohren' range.
You can get them online either fomr red dot products or kirkbys ( kirkbys.co.uk)

[ErnS]

Thanks for that - the 'nie wider bohren' range was precisely what I was thinking of.

I note from the Red Dot Products web site that the range includes various fittings for bathrooms and kitchens all using the same fixing system. There's also a short video on the web site showing how the system works.

I also found a longer and more impressive demonstration, albeit in German, at YouTube - nie wieder bohren. - einfach genial!

[365drills]

I had a look at that page and I have to say the design of those look awful. I would rather have something more elegant and contemporary but drill a hole to fit it.



There is no way an undrilled doorstop could stop a door long term on tiles.

[John Benton]

My local supplier of wood flooring sells these weighted door stops, they come in different sizes and can be moved about if needed.


Dome Weight Door Stop / Doorstop