Bathroom project, (only tiled once before)

[ronaldbiggs]

Hi Guys/Gals

Firstly let me congratulate you on an excellent forum, after reading through this forum for several nights I have joined to gain experience with my bathroom project.

I am tiling my bathroom floor (think its straight on to ply) the floor will not cause me too much trouble, except knowing what adhesive and grout to use. My tiles are graphite colour so I would like to use dark grout. Any thoughts on what would be best to use, am also fitting a new sink and toilet so will be drilling through the new tiles I assume I can buy the correct drill bits through tradetiler.

I also need to re-tile my bathroom it is 15sq mtrs, the bathroom has been tiled before but even I could have done a better job with my eyes closed, it is very bad in places.

The easiest thing for me to do would be to tile over the existing tiles they are 20x20 (mosiac look but a solid tile), is this fesiable to go over the top, my new tiles are from the Grosvenor collection and are 331x248x7mm. I have been told t use PVA with a bit of sand to give the old tiles some grip before I put the new tiles up ... does this sound right ?, again any recomendations on adhesive and once again I would be looking at using a dark grout.

I would then have to replace architrave and skirting boards.

I am also going to buy a wet tile cutter and was going to get the Plasplugs master tiler from what I have read this appears to be o.k. but any thought on this would be appreciated.


Thanks for any help you might be able to offer

Regards

Ron

[david campbell]

firstly if you are tiling onto ply you will need a flexible adhesive and grout,if your tiles are graphite there are several colours of grey or a pebble colour that bal do,there is a wider range by mapei but i'm not up to speed with it so you could maybe nip into your local ctd and have a look,best to remove the old tiles instead of tiling over them as the weight may become an issue with this,its not good practice especially if they do need removed later on!the plasplugs master wet cutter is an excellent choice for diy projects also!

[ronaldbiggs]

Thanks for the reply Dave

I will have a look at the Bal adhesives, the only reason I was going to tile over the existing tiles was 3 out of the 4 walls are plasterboard and I am not certain what will be left of the wall after the tiles have been taken off.


Regards

Ron

[Dave]

Don't use pva.. http://www.tilersforums.co.uk/tile-a...s-primers.html

[ronaldbiggs]

Just read your thread on PVA, very interesting. Am going to go upstairs and see how easy the tiles will come off, if they dont come off without wrecking the walls what would be best to stick the new tiles on, would I need to prime the area first ?

Thanks for your help

Ron

[ronaldbiggs]

Well thats 3 tiles off and twice as much plasterboard........... so if possible I would like to tile over the top of the existing tiles (cant afford to be repairing or more likely replacing plasterboard)

Any advice appreciated

Ron

[dts]

I would carry on removing tiles, plasterboard isnt that expensive and will give you a flat surface to tile to resulting in a better finish to the room and more importantly you wont have a weight problem for the walls.
As in all tiling work prep is the most important thing get it right at the start and the finish will reflect the effort at the start.

Good luck

Andy

[ronaldbiggs]

Thanks for the reply

If I remove all the old tiles this will be 3 out of the 4 walls with plasterboard, I assume that I will need to replace t he plasterboard then get it skimmed. Possible result will be too expensive. I would like to remove it all but am tied to a budget

[marc1106]

Thanks for the reply

If I remove all the old tiles this will be 3 out of the 4 walls with plasterboard, I assume that I will need to replace t he plasterboard then get it skimmed. Possible result will be too expensive. I would like to remove it all but am tied to a budget

remove all the tiles and plasterboard, then reboard leave the plasterboard bare as this will give you a stronger base for tiling onto again!

[ronaldbiggs]

Thanks for another option, certainly sounds easier. Will have to look at the radiator in the bathroom that is mounted on the wall, will also have to weigh up if it is worth the extra money to rip down 3 walls. Just wish I was more confident in this sort of thing.

[doug boardley]

in the long run Ronald the plasterboards are small change, I'd take all the old tiles off and the old plasterboard, re plasterboard with 12.5mm and tile. Re plasterboarding will also take weight ratio issues out of the equation.

[ronaldbiggs]

Well after the comments put forward looks like its all getting ripped out, just hope all goes ok....in to the abyss. Will I still have to scrim the joints and use angle beading ?

Thanks will let you all know how things go

[dts]

I wouldn't bother doing the joints or beading if you have a 3mm plus gap fill with addy and smooth off or you could get board addy and fill up with that only £6 a bag sets like concrete so wont break the bank. Try and keep the boards off the floor when fixing to stud work use tile spacers or tile pieces to rest board on then screw to studs.

Dont forget to post some pics

[ronaldbiggs]

Thanks DTS,
Any advice appreciated on this as I have no experience with replacing stud walls, certainly was not what I planned but at least its a challenge. Am I correct in thinking there is a moisture resistant plasterboard ?

Thanks

Ron

[doug boardley]

Well after the comments put forward looks like its all getting ripped out, just hope all goes ok....in to the abyss. Will I still have to scrim the joints and use angle beading ?

Thanks will let you all know how things go

no mate, are you tanking it out tho'?

[ronaldbiggs]

Sorry Doug

Not really certain what you mean, I assume that "Tanking" is some sort of waterproofing, I do not have a shower and was going to use moisture resistant plasterboard. But if you can advise that would be great.

[doug boardley]

Sorry Doug

Not really certain what you mean, I assume that "Tanking" is some sort of waterproofing, I do not have a shower and was going to use moisture resistant plasterboard. But if you can advise that would be great.

you'll be ok with the mrp/board, Ronald, i assumed there'd be a shower, my mistake!

[ronaldbiggs]

Thanx Doug

will try and get the tiles off over the weekend, then see how much damage is done to the plasterboard, any advice on what adhesive i should use to put the new tiles up, my new tiles will be graphite in colour.

[cornish_crofter]

When you come to fit new plasterboard use plasterboard screws, not nails and a cordless driver to put them in.

Whilst the plasterboard is off it's a good time to think about where the sink, toilet, radiator and any other fittings are going. This will help you decide if you need any extra timbers to support them with.

[ronaldbiggs]

Thanks for the tips, Luckily the sink and toilet are on the outside wall so have not got to worry, I will make sure that the bathroom cabinet has got some noggins to screw in to. Keep the advice coming its all becoming easier (well until I get the hammer and bolster......you have created a monster)

[Dave]

Maybe a skip to put all the rubbish in.

[ronaldbiggs]

Either that or just dump it all in the girls bedroom (17 yr old)....dont think she would notice

[cornish_crofter]

Either that or just dump it all in the girls bedroom (17 yr old)....dont think she would notice

You've got one of those as well, mine are 16 and 14. I could install a whole bathroom in their rooms and they probably wouldn't notice!

[ronaldbiggs]

She will cry for weeks when she goes in to the bathroom to find no mirror...... come to think of it hardly any bathroom. Just another question what is the best way to cut the plasterboard to the correct size.

[doug boardley]

you two are lucky I've got a two and three year old boys, if i try to do owt at home I'm constantly looking for my tools..... "Harrison, don't hit your brother with that!!!".... "Gabriel, sunshine, put the stanley knife down, slowly please.."

[doug boardley]

She will cry for weeks when she goes in to the bathroom to find no mirror...... come to think of it hardly any bathroom. Just another question what is the best way to cut the plasterboard to the correct size.

i use a tape measure Ronald lol, and a stanley knife, score down the face side with your stanley, go round to the back side and put your knee against it to bend the board, then score again up the crease on the backside

[Dave]

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i use a tape measure Ronald lol, and a stanley knife, score down the face side with your stanley, go round to the back side and put your knee against it to bend the board, then score again up the crease on the backside

..OUCH......

[ronaldbiggs]

All systems go then for Saturday morning, am I o.k to post photos on this thread or has it got to be somewhere else on the forum.

Thanks guys

[doug boardley]

ohhhh I think Dave will be quivering, he (we as well!) love photies, feel free to post them here!

[ronaldbiggs]

Dont think I will be getting to your standards guys, but I will take my time and do the best i can. I will post some tomorrow of the current mess.