Floor tiling for 28st wheelchair user

[user123]

I had an enquiry on behalf of a 28stone very disabled electric wheelchair user who lives in a warden controlled ground floor flat and wants me to tile the hallway floor. Have seen it before, L shape, approx 1.80m x 4.50m x 2.50m. Hallway needs to cope with patient weight plus the weight of the electric wheelchair, specially made, not a scooter but heavy, with engine, battery pack, extra large etc.
the hallway floor needs to be levelled I would say from memory about 5cm along the 4.0m length, with another 2cm slant/bump somewhere in the middle. He transfers onto his lighter domestic wheelchair in the hall, a lot of turning of wheels, etc, and accesses kitchen, living room, office, bedroom, and bathroom via that same hall.

So far the heavy duty carpet has to be replaced on a very frequent basis and I have suggested in the past to use the same non slip heavy duty lino as is used successfuly in the bathroom and kitchen. Seems the patient wants tiles though and me to do it in January! Not so keen on floors because of a dicky knee, and because of the locality would either rope in someone else do do it with me or even instead of me with a bit of smooth talking with the patient (got my eye on you BDS!)

Anyhow, all this would be straightforward enough if it wasn't for the fact that levelling is necessary and that it would have to be all done and ready for the huge weight by the end of one day!! - patient goes out, lingers in town all day, comes back to a job done, as caring homes struggle with both the weight and the nature of the disablility. To that I said that it cannot possibly be done, but then again, it wouldn't hurt to ask what you good people think to it.

The tricky one day issue aside - what kind of levelling compound and tiles, let alone grout would cope with such a weight?

If there was a way I would suggest to the patient to wait until his annual carer accompanied holiday break, which I think usually lasts up to five days.

So, here we are, over to you.

[AllurePTS]

yep ...wait till holiday time I'd say

[Dave]

Deffo more than a days work if its to level out.....

[Daz]

If a car showroom can be levelled and tiled, why can't this hallway?

I would approach this over a few days MG.

Day 1, lay SLC. I tend to use Ardex 'cos they are local to me, but Mapei Fibreplan is a nice one, too. You should be able to get it down within an hour or so (not too clear on what m2 we are talking about). It will be able to accept traffic after a few hours so should be fine if customer comes home at the end of the day.

Day 2, fix all full tiles, would recommend a 10mm (min) thickness porcelain with rapid set single part flexi addy. Fix edge cuts if time allows. The floor will be useable as long as last tiles are down 2 hours before customer returns.

Day 3, fix edge cuts and grout with rapid set flexi grout, again floor will be useable provided grouting is done 2 to 3 hours before customer returns (depending on grout used).

With 2 of you on the job, you should be able to finish within 2 days.

Good luck and enjoy!

[user123]

If a car showroom can be levelled and tiled, why can't this hallway?

I would approach this over a few days MG.

Day 1, lay SLC. I tend to use Ardex 'cos they are local to me, but Mapei Fibreplan is a nice one, too. You should be able to get it down within an hour or so (not too clear on what m2 we are talking about). It will be able to accept traffic after a few hours so should be fine if customer comes home at the end of the day.

Day 2, fix all full tiles, would recommend a 10mm (min) thickness porcelain with rapid set single part flexi addy. Fix edge cuts if time allows. The floor will be useable as long as last tiles are down 2 hours before customer returns.

Day 3, fix edge cuts and grout with rapid set flexi grout, again floor will be useable provided grouting is done 2 to 3 hours before customer returns (depending on grout used).

With 2 of you on the job, you should be able to finish within 2 days.

Good luck and enjoy!

Brilliant reply, CS, much appreciated!

[sWe]

So you need to pour 30-50mm SLC? It's the thickness that screws you over. There are lots of rapid curing SLCs which you can tile after 1.5-3 hours, but I can't think of any that you can pour that thick in one go. Had it been a question of about 10mm, it would've been doable, but 50mm... I would suggest you look at Ardex.co.uk and Mapei.co.uk for something which is remotely suitable to use as leveler.

Personally, I'd use Ardex K75, which is tileable after 24h, on the morning of day 1. When the customer returns at the end of the day, he should be able to traverse it without damaging it.

Then I'd tile on day two using a rapid setting heavy duty adhesive, such as BAL Motobond, Ardex X78s, MAPEI Keraquick, MAPEI Adesilex P4, or MAPEI Granirapid.

Then I'd grout 3-4 hours after the last tile had been fixed, or preferably the next day, using MAPEI Ultracolor, Ardex FL, or some other relatively hard wearing, rapid hardening grout.

[user123]

So you need to pour 30-50mm SLC? It's the thickness that screws you over. There are lots of rapid curing SLCs which you can tile after 1.5-3 hours, but I can't think of any that you can pour that thick in one go. Had it been a question of about 10mm, it would've been doable, but 50mm... I would suggest you look at Ardex.co.uk and Mapei.co.uk for something which is remotely suitable to use as leveler.

Personally, I'd use Ardex K75, which is tileable after 24h, on the morning of day 1. When the customer returns at the end of the day, he should be able to traverse it without damaging it.

Then I'd tile on day two using a rapid setting heavy duty adhesive, such as BAL Motobond, Ardex X78s, MAPEI Keraquick, MAPEI Adesilex P4, or MAPEI Granirapid.

Then I'd grout 3-4 hours after the last tile had been fixed, or preferably the next day, using MAPEI Ultracolor, Ardex FL, or some other relatively hard wearing, rapid hardening grout.

Another brilliant reply, thanks sWe

[BDS]

(got my eye on you BDS!)


I`m a man in demand at the moment

[CJ]

(got my eye on you BDS!)


I`m a man in demand at the moment

Settle down BDS...........I don't think its your body the young lady is after..........well..........not in that way anyway

Life's a b*£% sometimes

[CJ]

The self levelling would be the main problem.........but also the tiling itself.

Not so much on the straight runs of the area.......but on the doorways and ANY turns a wheel chair user would obviously have to make.

I had a similar problem with my Brother and his wife (who was a chair user)
Any turns churns up the SLC AND tiles would probably shift if not totally set.

Definitely a job for when person is away


I used standard rapid setting addys and grouts. Never had to self level

[Fekin]

So you need to pour 30-50mm SLC? It's the thickness that screws you over. There are lots of rapid curing SLCs which you can tile after 1.5-3 hours, but I can't think of any that you can pour that thick in one go. Had it been a question of about 10mm, it would've been doable, but 50mm... I would suggest you look at Ardex.co.uk and Mapei.co.uk for something which is remotely suitable to use as leveler

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[user123]

(got my eye on you BDS!)


I`m a man in demand at the moment

Enjoy it while it lasts

[user123]

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wowee, this is great, I'm so glad I asked!! Thank you, too, Fekin, even though you look really scary...

[Fekin]

That's me on a good day too

[BDS]

Enjoy it while it lasts



Damn is going to be over that quick

[CJ]

Enjoy it while it lasts



Damn is going to be over that quick

Said the wife

[BDS]

[BDS]

Mosaic girl when is said annual holiday?

[CJ]

The first week In January is good for BDS

[user123]

Damn is going to be over that quick [/quote]



Not just up to me, is it???

[user123]

Mosaic girl when is said annual holiday?

oh, that always changes, there are various centres around the country, which have to be applied for, the funding needs to be sorted etc...but it does mean there is a fair bit of notice; I'll keep you posted...

[BDS]

CJ i`m booked till 2nd week of feb,was called today to go give a quote this friday evening possibly for wetroom,they wanted it doing before xmas,no chance was my reply to customer told them when i could or couldn`t fit them in and they said they`d wait (save up some more money for it he said)so IF i get that too then thats mid to end of febuary,not complaining tho

[BDS]

If its gona be a 2/3 day job then it would be better for me to get b/b instead of driving and doing a 2.5 hr round trip

[CJ]

If its gona be a 2/3 day job then it would be better for me to get b/b instead of driving and doing a 2.5 hr round trip

You do it then B

Buggered if I'm commuting up from Somerset

[BDS]

Approx 2.5 hrs and thats if its in scarborough

[BDS]

CJ dont be a lazy sod somerset to scarborough`s not far

[user123]

Approx 2.5 hrs and thats if its in scarborough

No it's in Hull...long story....the longer commute would be for me. The holidays are always in the warmer months, no fixed date, it's via application for funding and specialist centres but with plenty of notice - no panic there about Jan/Feb.

I shall get in touch with the powers that be this week, see what transpires and will keep you posted.

[CJ]

CJ dont be a lazy sod somerset to scarborough`s not far

Only 4.5 hours to Hull

[BDS]

Ok sounds good i`ll send ya my mobile number via pm as and when ya want,obviously i`ll/we`ll have to go and take a look before and suss the job out if thats ok with you but as and when

[BDS]

I`d let ya stay at mine CJ but you once told me that you fart alot