Anyone used Nicobond Plastic Ply

[Highlander]

Hi all,

Has anyone used the Plastic Ply as advertised in the recent TileUK magazine. Also anyone have any idea on price because it looks the business if it does what it says on the tin LOL

http://www.ncdirect.co.uk/index.php?...bffb23c64e3ce6

Highlander

[Fred]

Hi all,

Has anyone used the Plastic Ply as advertised in the recent TileUK magazine. Also anyone have any idea on price because it looks the business if it does what it says on the tin LOL


Highlander

No, I have not even heard of it....................must have a look

[Dave]

mmmmmm..i'm on the fence with this one...till it's been tested and tested ...

[CJ]

Well how is that supposed to work if the floorboards are a wee bit iffy............but not iffy enough to rip out......but still needing overboarding.

Can't see that stiffening the floor much

[Grace'sDad]

Sounds like a Ditra copy-cat affair to me. Don't see how it can do anything other than isolate the tiles from the lateral movement of the timber floor.
I can't imagine how it firms up the floor as well as 15mm ply screwed down correctly would.

[DB-Tiling]

at the leeds branch they have a pallet that has been tiled on with this stuff.
i jumped up and down on it and the tiles stayed on flexed like hell though.
they were not grouted, but i bet the grout would have cracked if it was.
so i dont think i will bother.
and read the small print that comes with it. loads of get outs.

[pjtiler]

looks to good to be true to me
i hope it works though

[garythetiler]

eml mesh replacement? whats the price of this plastic gimmick rubbish ? if you advertised camel dung droppings as an additve for adhesive then you can guarantee some mug would buy it and declare its s*** hot! lol

smoke and mirrors

[wayne]

i think it retails at £20 for 1.2 sqm or something like that. saw the pallett as well but it wont strengthen anything. its just 2mm thick plastic with sticky tape to fasten it to floor

[garythetiler]

when i first started tiling we used eml mesh stapled to wooden floors we would back spread the mesh then tile as normal we always used ardion 90 or rona fix mixed into the adhesive never had a failure like this. eml mesh works out about £3.88 per sheet a fifth of the price of this plastic rubbish

[wetdec]

I think on the face of it then it looks a little unbelievable but and its a big but like everything else new it has to begin some where,

The pallet issue is interesting in that every other slat there is a 3inch gap but tiles didnt come off so the bonding strength of the self adhesive plastic ply is obviously really good.

As Ditra isnt a strengthening mat and needs underlayment then there is no comparison to be made on that score but if anything fails on plastic ply under lateral movement it will be the self sticky adhesive as thats the main anchor so it will uncouple

Ems is a good one as ems worked but ems wasnt 60 x 50 in size, self adhesive, simple to use and you couldnt cut it with a scissors.

The one not mentioned is backer boards and ply, it apears to me that this is where the comparison needs making as they are all marketed and produced to do the same job by reputable companies except plastic ply is only 2.5mm thick, uses less adhesive and no fixings.

The small print says this :

Existing wood floors must be rigid, stable and capable of supporting additional load without flexing and have sufficient ventilation beneath them. Any loose boards should be secured prior to applying N&C Plastic Ply. If there is axcessive flexing or movement within the floor the addition of extra noggins may be required


Retail price is around £16 per m2



tiler

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[Dave]

Its the name Plastic PLY that throws peeps off....it's all in the name,, if it doesn't strengthen like ply then why give is the said name....if it is an uncoupling system then say so and not say PLY....

[wetdec]

Ye with you, its a bit of a mixture in what they have said and not said and ye the name is sh*t thats why we have been having a closer look at it to be sure it can do what we say it will do.

An N&C timber floor test area prooved its ability by taking thousands of foot steps over a 3 or 4 month period. While N&C arnt the best known company they are solid without a doubt and know what they are about.


tiler

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[mac1968]

I’ve seen comments from some of you guys on here re this new product, I thought like you, can’t work so popped to my local showroom in chadwell heath.
Like the leeds supporter (no comment!) I saw the tiled pallet in the shop, yeah no grout. Stuff looks wicked, how can you tile over gaps in a pallet? don’t make sense to me. I had a small floor to tile for the family so tried it on that as no come backs and I must say was brilliant, so easy to lay, no ****ing about with cutting plywood etc, screwing down, just peel and stick, so simple even me a west ham supporter managed it!! (Anyone want a loan from my bank in Iceland!!)

Since that first trial I’ve done two more bathrooms and the customers have been as chuffed as I have. I’ve seen prices knocked about, just so you know I paid £8.49m² so good value I thought considering how easy it was.

My tip would be give it a try on one floor, what have you got to lose.

Up the 'ammers!!

[DEtileD]

Hmm,.....but it isn't plastic ply though..? Maybe I should invent a product called 'fully tiled floor' and when you open the box its a grout float. Useful, but not what its claiming to be.

[wetdec]

WoW beachy ...... wont N&C let you have it so you can slap 10 quid a metre on it how dare they not when StG want to conquer the uk market


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[Branty]

As I said earlier. If the bond from the plastic ply to the subfloor is 4 times stronger than the tile to adhesive, then it can't work as an uncoupling membrane. Where the weaker of the 2 bonds has to be from the matting to the floor.

[MrSpoon]

anyone daring enough to try this out on a customers floor then? dont think ill be trying it atall even if it does turn out to work an absoloute charm, simply dont trust it. and going by the small print.. what the hell is it actually supposed to be if its nothing like ply as it cant add strength and its not exactly a decoupler... seems to me its just a stick down extra grip priming aid. but as with everything time will tell

[gonk31]

i would like to see gaztech`s opinion on this product from a bal point of view if this was the only product used as an overlay and the adhesive failed what would be bal`s opinion from a gurantee point of vew, and also don`t forget about the bs standards for overlaying ???????????????

[GazTech]

I am in Stoke on Monday, and will speak to my Tech dept....we may wish to do some tests before offering any guarantee for our products with this system....Gaz

[Droopy]

i would like to see gaztech`s opinion on this product from a bal point of view if this was the only product used as an overlay and the adhesive failed what would be bal`s opinion from a gurantee point of vew, and also don`t forget about the bs standards for overlaying ???????????????

What do you think is more likely to fail though?
The 'plastic ply' or the adhesive?

[Droopy]

I am in Stoke on Monday, and will speak to my Tech dept....we may wish to do some tests before offering any guarantee for our products with this system....Gaz

Are you back down on the 20th too Gaz?

[GazTech]

What do you think is more likely to fail though?
The 'plastic ply' or the adhesive?

Love the avatar James...

Are you back down on the 20th too Gaz?

Yea 20th and 21st....You ?

[Droopy]

Love the avatar James...

Cheers, mate. It took me hours of hard searching to find it

Yea 20th and 21st....You ?

Yup, I'm down there both days too.

[Branty]

Cheers, mate. It took me hours of hard searching to find it



Yup, I'm down there both days too.

I'll be there too.
You guys staying over?

[GazTech]

yep.....

[vistatiling]

Ok an update on Nicobond Plastic Ply,

I had a Domestic tiling work few weeks ago, had to remove existing carpet and lay the tiles on dining room floor 10 square metres.

After ripping the carpet, i saw the floor boards, and since the area had 5 doors which would need trimming if I layed the 18mm plywood, I suggested the customer to go for a revolutionary Plastic Ply which is only 2mm thick, so eliminates the need to trim the doors...

A bit of a breakdown:

To lay the plywood would have costed him: £420 inc materials.
Trim 5 doors: £100.00
which totals to: £520.00

And buying + fixing the plastic ply, costed him £196.00

Not bad?

Fingers crossed, the plastic ply will last as long as the Plywood would.

[grumpygrouter]

Hi Vistatiling, welcome to the forums. Thanks for the picture. Will you be keeping in touch with your customer to see how his floor holds up and will you keep the forums updated?

[vistatiling]

Hi Vistatiling, welcome to the forums. Thanks for the picture. Will you be keeping in touch with your customer to see how his floor holds up and will you keep the forums updated?

This customer, does want to get some more tiling done by me in the future, so whenever it's gonna be, I will see the status of that job

So yes you can expect an update on this some time next year.

[Alberta Stone]

Mapei has a plastic lath which comes in a roll, 3 feet wide which you staple down where needed and use the same as the aforementioned plastic ply.
Basically it serves the same function as expanded metal lathe, only it's plastic.
Personally I will stick with ditra for plywood replacement.