Dot & Dab travertine?

[LM Ceramics]

ill add my input and agree with everyone else you should not dot and dab tiles it isnt the correct way to do this


with the tiler using the dot and dab method im suprised he isnt using ceramic wall tile adhesive for travertine lol

[spanky]

I have been totally honest with the main contractor throughout this, and I have shown him this thread, well, up until about 6.00pm.

I would like to think he has gone home and been keeping a sly eye on it, it's his reputation at stake at the end of the day.
(I would have been keeping an eye on it, I work for myself, I repair, sell & trade in LCD and Plasma TV's & Parts, if I sell one and it goes wrong then I fix it, PERIOD. I have a good name and I would like to keep it that way.)

I have just printed the whole thread off, I will show it to him in the morning.

I expect the tiles to be removed and re-affixed correctly, I have no intention of taking any risks with it, I reckon it should cost £1800 at most to have 40 odd sqm of these fitted, that £40 per sqm, he's being paid £7000 or so for this job, so there's plenty of money to cover the cost of having it done correctly.

I will of course keep you all informed, and add the thanks necessary.

Tony (Spanky)

p.s.

Rogue traders does not seem too far off the mark.

[brian c]

if you have any trouble with him then tell him his services are no longer required and then get one of the lads on here from your area to fix the tiles for you .At least it wpuld be done correctly.

[charlie1]

Right spanky, I need not add anymore to this thread as it sounds like you have made your mind up to confront the tiler. DO NOT ALLOW THIS GUY TO CONTINUE IN THE MORNING. ENOUGH DAMMAGE HAS BEEN CAUSED!!!

Please keep us up to date with this one.

[steve mason]

Why is it so bad to dot and dab? I was told that it gave you more play to get the wall square if it was out. Is it best practise to put adi on the wall first then trowel and then tile? Do you pack tiles out from there if the wall isnt true?

[charlie1]

You should make your wall straight before you tile by skimming with rapid set or DD plaster board. The correct method of tiling is to get as close to 100% coverage as pos. Do not DD tiles as practice. There are more tilers out ther than you think practicing this method of tiling though experienced ones at that. I dare say you could mabe get away with it with smaller format ceramics but when it comes down to it why take the chance. Perssonaly I use my flat edge of the trowel to plaster the wall with addy then go over it with the serated edge then tile.

TO CLARIFY - TRAVERTINE IS A DEFINATE, DEFINATE NO NO FOR DOT DABBING.

[grumpy]

There is nothing wrong with dabbing the wall tiles so long as its a cement based adhesive.From the photo you posted it looks like there is at least 75% coverage on the tile and thats good enough.Alot of whats been said on this post is inexperience.For those people who have been tiling long enough will remember bal used to sell tools a few years ago and one trowel they had in the range was a 50% coverage.Also the trowel method of fixing is big here in the uk and some other countries but many mediterainian countries dab tiles. do yourself a favour and speak to an architect for the correct imformation.

[chris.tiling]

Originally Posted by grumpy

There is nothing wrong with dabbing the wall tiles so long as its a cement based adhesive.From the photo you posted it looks like there is at least 75% coverage on the tile and thats good enough.Alot of whats been said on this post is inexperience.For those people who have been tiling long enough will remember bal used to sell tools a few years ago and one trowel they had in the range was a 50% coverage.Also the trowel method of fixing is big here in the uk and some other countries but many mediterainian countries dab tiles. do yourself a favour and speak to an architect for the correct imformation.

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I may be inexperienced but I dont think you'll find the likes of Dave and Fekin are..........better apologise to them now.

[spanky]

Yes, I too am now confused why the above comment was made?

[charlie1]

Hi grumpy are you the tiler by chance???

[Fekin]

Originally Posted by grumpy

There is nothing wrong with dabbing the wall tiles so long as its a cement based adhesive.

Fixing heavy tiles with dabs here n there is skimping on materials and more importantly safety.

Originally Posted by grumpy

From the photo you posted it looks like there is at least 75% coverage on the tile and thats good enough.

If the tiles had been fixed propperly, the whole back of the tile would have still been covered with ribbed adhesive when pulled from the wall and adhesive should still also be on the wall showing the adhesive had a propper mechanical grip to both tile and wall, and the only way the tile comes away is to rip the adhesive in two.
The tiles spanky took off came away with no effort, and near enough zero adhesive had a mechanical grip to the wall as the splodges were only on the tile.

Originally Posted by grumpy

Alot of whats been said on this post is inexperience.

I have read the entire thread and everyone is in agreement that the tiles should not be dabbed on and with the reasons why it shouldn't be done, and the views posted are not inexperianced either, far from it Grumpy, the experiance of the members of this forum is colossal and we don't recommend sloppy workmanship.

Originally Posted by grumpy

For those people who have been tiling long enough will remember bal used to sell tools a few years ago and one trowel they had in the range was a 50% coverage.

Do they still sell them though ? and as time goes by, the market changes and tile formats keep on getting bigger and heavier meaning you need better mechanical grip to fix them.

Originally Posted by grumpy

Also the trowel method of fixing is big here in the uk and some other countries but many mediterainian countries dab tiles. do yourself a favour and speak to an architect for the correct imformation.

How about speaking to the adhesive manufacturers, after all, they make the products and see if they recommend you use their product in this manner and I'd bet anything they would say the same as we have all said here, apart from you Grumpy

[spanky]

I thought the same, but I do not think the Tiler has any knowledge of this site, and he registered in Novenber....