Dot & Dab travertine?

[bj F]

Seventy percent coverage is the minimum.:90

[bj F]

From what I can gather you have the maximum Wight fixed with the minimum adhesive in the most unorthodox manner I have ever herd of and the contractor is fine with that????? Will he guarantee the work?

[spanky]

Oh, I am still listening, however from my point of view I am:

Without a bathroom (have been for 2 weeks)
Have to persued them that they will have to rip off 35 sqm of tile, then pay for 35 sqm more, re-plasterboard it, and re-tile it.

I can imagine they are not gonna want to do that.

Hence the needing a good reason for not doing it, they are saying the tiles "won't" come off.

I am running out of arguement, I am sure he knows it is wrong.

Kind of between a rock and a hard place.

They were gonna tile onto the original plaster: see post

Professional Travertine Fitter - What should I be looking for?

Got them to board it out.

[Sir Ramic]

Ok so i am back. I cant tell you how this winds me up. 2 things i hate in this game is bad workmen and customers getting ripped off, both are in this thread. Dont pay them...totally sub standard work.

[Varley]

Originally Posted by spanky

Oh, I am still listening, however from my point of view I am:

Without a bathroom (have been for 2 weeks)
Have to persued them that they will have to rip off 35 sqm of tile, then pay for 35 sqm more, re-plasterboard it, and re-tile it.

I can imagine they are not gonna want to do that.

Hence the needing a good reason for not doing it, they are saying the tiles "won't" come off.

I am running out of arguement, I am sure he knows it is wrong.

Kind of between a rock and a hard place.

They were gonna tile onto the original plaster: see post

Professional Travertine Fitter - What should I be looking for?

Got them to board it out.

When you say they were going to tile over existing plaster and you persuaded them to board out, please tell me they removed the plaster first, because if they boarded over the top of the plaster you are reaching seriously dangerous levels of weight.

[uug197h]

never D & D. from a plumbers point of view no tile should be D & D if you drill the tile to fix a shower screen then the tile is more likely to break when tightening the screws. if you d & d you are only fixing to the tile so making more of a problem for the tiles to stay on the wall

[bj F]

Sorry but I have got a bee in my bonnet now I have gone through my college notes and one of the reasons you do not dot and dab tiles of any kind is that it leaves air pockets and in a bathroom the temperatures will change from extreme to extreme and this can cause the tile to blow. Also movement in the sub straight will in time case the tile to crack at is weakest point. (The part with now adhesive)

[bigandy]

i have to agree with all the boys on here do not let them pick their tools up until they agree to rip it all off and do it correctly. i have been tiling for about 15 years and specialise in natural materials call the technical help line on the adhesive hey will definately set you right.they will normally even call in and advise you

[whitebeam]

You will be pushing some grout into them joints to fill em up and you will have grout just hovering between the tiles and water will ingress and cracking will happen. Agree with all other comments, listen what the guys are saying. Please

[poynton phil]

all that weight, plus shower screen radiator ect ect, dont forget to give your missis and kids a hard hat and steel toe capped boots at bath time

[spanky]

Ok, sorry, had things to do this evening, back now.

I am most grateful for your replies, I hope you're not all in bed yet.

Right, I have been using this forum for answers to my questions on this job, and yes I can confirm the old plasterwork was removed back to bare brick, I did it myself with a friend.

New plasterboard was then affixed to all the walls. To get the story right...

The plasterboard was originally fixed to the walls by a plasterer who obviously wanted to get the job done quickly, the tiler came the next day and started to tile using the "correct" method, covering the wall with adhesive, then using the notched trowel, then placing the tile, however, as he was going along the weight of the tile was pulling the plasterboard from the walls.

He stopped and said he would not continue until it was corrected.

The Plasterer came back and re-affixed the plasterboard much more securely.

Time had passed and the original booked tiler was then on another pre-booked job, so the contractor sourced another tiler who started on Tuesday this week.

It was not until today I noticed that he had been fitting the tiles using the method shown in the photo on page 1, dot and dab.

I think there is probably 50% - 60% of the tile covered in adhesive, I am sure the tile in the photo was "for show" and the ones that no-one has seen will have less on them.

Once I noticed this, I asked if he had done the whole room like this and he openly admitted that he had.

The tiler and the contractor are both saying it is fine and how they were told by the adhesive company and a tile firm that this was how it should be done.

I am now obviously a bit stuck, I paid £1000 ish for the Tiles and have paid this contractor to basically rip out the whole room, fit the tiles then fit a bathroom suite & shower cubicle with all ancillary works, it is going to cost him upwards of £3000 to rip it off and start again, perhaps more.

Obviously he is not going to "want" to do this.

????

[grumpygrouter]

Spanky, i don't know if this is realistic or not but you seem to have a bit of an impass here. Why don't you consider some sort of external arbitration like trading standards for instance. Invite them in to consider the situation at present and see if they can find out the "correct" way it should be done for you. Or how about the TTA, they are supposed to be a controlling body of sorts.

All of us on here know it's wrong but hey, we only tile for a living! Your contractor seems to work to different rules, see if he is prepared to accept external guidance?