Dot & Dab travertine?

[grumpy]

Originally Posted by spanky

Reading that last post has made me rethink an idea that may negat the need to remove all the tile?

Is it possible to inject adhesive through the grout gaps behind the tiles?

If it is possible, how, who, etc etc

Seems feasible?

Could save £3000 worth of work?

A very interesting point spanky.THis is just for general interest.There is a method i know of that a greek tiler told me about some years ago,this was also used on swimming pools.Hold onto your hats for the backlash of this!!!
tiles were stuck on to render with D&D, at the end of each day they make up a slury and put it in a watering can,they then pour it down from the top of the last course of tiles to fill all the voids.
greeks eh what do they know about tiling. if only they had Brithish standards three thousand years ago.

[Branty]

[quote=grumpy;109843]A very interesting point spanky.THis is just for general interest.There is a method i know of that a greek tiler told me about some years ago,this was also used on swimming pools.Hold onto your hats for the backlash of this!!!
tiles were stuck on to render with D&D, at the end of each day they make up a slury and put it in a watering can,they then pour it down from the top of the last course of tiles to fill all the voids.
greeks eh what do they know about tiling. if only they had Brithish standards three thousand years ago.[/quote]
3000 years ago they bedded onto a solid bed. Thats why the things are still around today.

The guy is not leaving any voids this way, so maybe that would work for a swimming pool.
Once again it seems a lot more hassle than just getting the walls right in the first place.

[Branty]

[quote=pjtiler;109806]dont be silly
i know fack all
i just do the job and use my brain

i dont have to achieve sales targets and pacify sales managers[/quote]
If that was an adhesive manufacturer's motive, they'd say 'bed away'. If you're bedding out over 6mm to make up bad walls, then the sales manager can reach his sales targets quicker. :yes:

[deanotile]

Originally Posted by grumpy

Help me out.ive searched everywhere but cant find any mention from anyone saying they dd all the time.And havent some people aready said british standard is best used as a guide rather than gospel.Cant find any reference of any calling anyone a fool either.If someone would like to set a benchmark,something along the lines of how long bal gaurentee blue star for then we can look for proof that dd is good for that length of time.

I think you will find that the British standards are the benchmark.
Rolling, Rolling, Rolling, keep them doges Rolling.

Originally Posted by Branty

The 3 porblems with d&d are.
1. The risk of exceeding the bedding depths. 6/5mm, 10mm in isolated areas. this can result in the adhesive exsesivly shriking. As I said I looked at a failure yesterday of 800x800 tiles on a wall, where the thick bed of d&d adhesive had shrunk, and caused the tiles to debond.

2. You need to make sure you're getting 100% (or there abouts) coverage in wet areas, and 80% elsewhere. This is to be able to support the weight of the tiles.

3. The BS says weight limits of 20kg psqm on plaster, if you have a 12mm stone fixed to 5 or 6 dabs of adhesive, then you are far exceeding your weight limits.

If you can d&d, and overcome those REAL issues, then good luck to you. I'd rather see the walls made good, and serrate away.

This isn't from an adhesive rep. Its from a tiler of 10 years, who as always seeked to improve his knowledge, even if it means eating a few large slices of humble pie. Which i have done, and continue to do.

oh well i had,nt realized you got all them years in the trade
i wish now i had sort your advice before i started the job
Alas i went to the technical department of one of the leading adhesive manufacturers in the world (who sent one of there guys for a site meeting and agreed the proposed method of fixing ) at the meeting were the main contractors structural engineer,the architect, site agent,and the client
all of which have done similar jobs all round the world for 40 odd years
next job of a similar nature i promise to seek your advise as I'm sure your ten years experience would be invaluable
there is one thing you could help me with (im kinda set in my ways) should i stop organizing these 50 k jobs on the back of a fag packet with my oh it,ll be OK attitude
or should i handle it in the professional manner i have for the last 45 years

[whitebeam]

Smoking is bad for you, The back of the shopping list will do

Originally Posted by whitebeam

Smoking is bad for you, The back of the shopping list will do

i dont do shoppin

[Branty]

[quote=pjtiler;110159]oh well i had,nt realized you got all them years in the trade
i wish now i had sort your advice before i started the job
Alas i went to the technical department of one of the leading adhesive manufacturers in the world (who sent one of there guys for a site meeting and agreed the proposed method of fixing ) at the meeting were the main contractors structural engineer,the architect, site agent,and the client
all of which have done similar jobs all round the world for 40 odd years
next job of a similar nature i promise to seek your advise as I'm sure your ten years experience would be invaluable
there is one thing you could help me with (im kinda set in my ways) should i stop organizing these 50 k jobs on the back of a fag packet with my oh it,ll be OK attitude
or should i handle it in the professional manner i have for the last 45 years[/quote]
Why do you feel the need to revert to personal attacks?
I'm trying to make a point, that I'm not some 'rep', reading from a book.
Yes you have a much greater experiance of fixing than I do. If you've had an adhesive tech guy see the method you're fixing those tiles, and there happy so be it.
As I said earlier. If you can get the right amount of coverage, at the correct bed depth, then I can't see it matters how you arrange the adhesive behind the tile.

[deanotile]

I think we should get back on track forget exterior cladding it is a different subject we are talking about the domestic application of large format natural stone.

[Fekin]

on plasterboard....

[grumpy]

Irespective of spankys woes the original debate was simply this and nothing else.Are there circumstances where D&D is acceptable.The work that pjtiler does proves without doubt that there are.
A completly seperate issue is, In what circumstances is D&D acceptable?
i dont think anyone wants to lead that one off do they!

[Fekin]

I thought the original debate was wether dot and dabbing travertine onto plasterboard in "Mr Smiths" bathroom was a good safe method.