Dot & Dab travertine?

[quote=grumpy;109780]you clearly know your stuff.nice work.[/quote]
its lovely sfuff to work with
the interals and exsternals make all the difference

[GazTech]

[quote=grumpy;109771]Help me out.ive searched everywhere but cant find any mention from anyone saying they dd all the time.And havent some people aready said british standard is best used as a guide rather than gospel.Cant find any reference of any calling anyone a fool either.If someone would like to set a benchmark,something along the lines of how long bal gaurentee blue star for then we can look for proof that dd is good for that length of time.[/quote]We at BAL offer no guarantee of large format tiles such as spankys spot fixed. September we bring in a 25 yr guarantee on all products, but this is provided that our specification for fixing is used, spot fixing method is not one of them.....Gaz

[deanotile]

Originally Posted by pjtiler

its lovely sfuff to work with
the interals and exsternals make all the difference

I am sorry if I have upset you your tiling looks very nice but looks aren’t every thing I am sure you endeavour to do every job to the best of your ability as I hope we all do but you are making it easy for cowboy tilers to get away with shockingly bad work by defending this method in this thread you said in one post that the pics are spot fixed and in another you used L clips. They may well be spot fixed in mapi adhesive but they are mechanically fixed as well this is not in the same ballpark as the job in hand. if you are going to do that sort of work you are exactly right in saying sand and cement is the best way. (hope I have not made another enemy I have enough of them as it is.)

Originally Posted by deanotile

I am sorry if I have upset you your tiling looks very nice but looks aren’t every thing I am sure you endeavour to do every job to the best of your ability as I hope we all do but you are making it easy for cowboy tilers to get away with shockingly bad work by defending this method in this thread you said in one post that the pics are spot fixed and in another you used L clips. They may well be spot fixed in mapi adhesive but they are mechanically fixed as well this is not in the same ballpark as the job in hand. if you are going to do that sort of work you are exactly right in saying sand and cement is the best way. (hope I have not made another enemy I have enough of them as it is.)

theres no way there going back to sand and cement
the adesive reps have all but brain washed every bugger in to thinking they know best
well ive got news for them and you they dont

[deanotile]

Originally Posted by pjtiler

theres no way there going back to sand and cement
the adesive reps have all but brain washed every bugger in to thinking they know best
well ive got news for them and you they dont

But you do?

Originally Posted by deanotile

But you do?

dont be silly
i know fack all
i just do the job and use my brain

i dont have to achieve sales targets and pacify sales managers

[deanotile]

Originally Posted by pjtiler

dont be silly
i know fack all
i just do the job and use my brain

i dont have to achieve sales targets and pacify sales managers

Pj I am not picking a fight with you at all but is the spot method in the original pics (three spots on a 600 by 400 travertine slab on to untreated 12mm plasterboards acceptable in your judgment)

Originally Posted by deanotile

Pj I am not picking a fight with you at all but is the spot method in the original pics (three spots on a 600 by 400 travertine slab on to untreated 12mm plasterboards acceptable in your judgment)

if you read the tread youll see i roundly condemned it !!!!
that jobs a disgrace
i was only trying to educate the dot and dab disbelievers to the fact that some jobs offer no alternative

[deanotile]

I do know what you are saying I’ve been in this game along time as well the work you are doing is highly specialised and I am sure well thought out but some of the less experienced tilers reading the thread will look at your pics read that it is ok to spot fix and of they go to the next poor spanky

Originally Posted by deanotile

I do know what you are saying I’ve been in this game along time as well the work you are doing is highly specialised and I am sure well thought out but some of the less experienced tilers reading the thread will look at your pics read that it is ok to spot fix and of they go to the next poor spanky

this poor buggers just been unlucky tough but it happens
and i hope he gets it sorted
had i done the job i would have cerated & primed
looks to me like the contractor was useing chancers
cutting trav with an angle grinder says it all

[Boosha]

Originally Posted by deanotile

I am sorry if I have upset you your tiling looks very nice but looks aren’t everything

It's whats inside that counts

[Branty]

[quote=pjtiler;109809]theres no way there going back to sand and cement
the adesive reps have all but brain washed every bugger in to thinking they know best
well ive got news for them and you they dont[/quote]
The 3 porblems with d&d are.
1. The risk of exceeding the bedding depths. 6/5mm, 10mm in isolated areas. this can result in the adhesive exsesivly shriking. As I said I looked at a failure yesterday of 800x800 tiles on a wall, where the thick bed of d&d adhesive had shrunk, and caused the tiles to debond.

2. You need to make sure you're getting 100% (or there abouts) coverage in wet areas, and 80% elsewhere. This is to be able to support the weight of the tiles.

3. The BS says weight limits of 20kg psqm on plaster, if you have a 12mm stone fixed to 5 or 6 dabs of adhesive, then you are far exceeding your weight limits.

If you can d&d, and overcome those REAL issues, then good luck to you. I'd rather see the walls made good, and serrate away.

This isn't from an adhesive rep. Its from a tiler of 10 years, who as always seeked to improve his knowledge, even if it means eating a few large slices of humble pie. Which i have done, and continue to do.