filling bath to silicone

[kilty55]

hi peeps,,should i do as above and fill the bath to put it under normal pressure when im silicoming it or does this not really matter? cheers

[pjtiler]

some say yes some say its a waste of time

i,m in the waste of time camp myself

[kilty55]

okay dokey,,cheers pj a prefference thing then

[charlie1]

Why dont you half fill the bath, then you cant go wrong

[pjtiler]

Why dont you half fill the bath, then you cant go wrong

brilliant
now why didnt i think of that

[frogeye]

Should I fill the sink and the bidet?

frogeye

[faithhealer]

Fitted a really expensive bath once where the customer was bragging how rigid it was and would take an earthquake to move it. Tanked it without filling the bath (had it masked up to save splashing primer all over it) Didn't take into account movement in the floorboards which moved the bath when full.
I always fill the bath now, silicon the gap before tiling as well as on top of your tiles.

[FreeD]

Why wouldn't you bother? its just laziness, u'll end up with alot more work when the customer calls you back to fix the damage.

[enduro]

Most of my jobs the plumber has put bath in but no taps, so cant fill the bath, and i never had a problem

[andy-p]

work for a few bathroom fitters and they all fill new baths before siliconing baths prior to tiling but the finishing bead is done with bath empty..

[sWe]

I always remove the tub before tiling myself. Same goes for sink and loo and pipes and whatever.

[grumpygrouter]

I was taught that silicone is not good under compression, it was designed to stretch. As such I never fill baths prior to silicone, the stretching abilities of silicone should be sufficient to accomodate movement of a millimetre or two easily. If a bath moves more than that I think there are other issues to address and whether the bath was full or not I don't think it would make a lot of difference.

[sWe]

I was taught that silicone is not good under compression, it was designed to stretch. As such I never fill baths prior to silicone, the stretching abilities of silicone should be sufficient to accomodate movement of a millimetre or two easily. If a bath moves more than that I think there are other issues to address and whether the bath was full or not I don't think it would make a lot of difference.

Quite true.

[andy-p]

I always remove the tub before tiling myself. Same goes for sink and loo and pipes and whatever.

swe !! most baths require the tile to finish on top of the bath , so it is required to be in situ , unless it is a stand alone.

[sWe]

Things are done a bit differently over here, and the regs are quite different as well.

Most tubs are stand alone, and bath panels have to be removeable, and the spaces under and behind the tub have to be tiled as well (ergo, removing everything is necessary), etc etc. Built in bathrubs used to be common, but they really rare now.

Waterproofing reqs are more stringent over here as well. In an average bathroom, more than half of the materials cost goes to waterproofing.

[andy-p]

it makes sense swe to make bath panels removable, its very popular here to frame baths and tile over leaving no access..

[sWe]

it makes sense swe to make bath panels removable, its very popular here to frame baths and tile over leaving no access..

Aye. That used to be common over here as well, but if you do that now, and there is some sort of water damage, mold, or whatever, the insurance co is going to laugh you in the face. Most tilers I know won't touch bath panels, even removable ones, due to insurance liability.

[Mike Strutter]

I don't fill it, if you stand in the bath to apply the silicone it'll move then if it's going to.
However if the customer is a 20 stone lump, get them to sit in it whilst you silicone .

[kilty55]

i thought id kill 2 birds with one stone,,decided to fill the bath ...with nice hot water,,proceeded to take my clothes off and got in it silicone gun in hand,,was gonna phone the owner of the house who was down the stair and ask her to bring me up a cup of tea but i felt this was maybe taking things too far..any thoughts peeps?

[d noulton]

agree with grumpy if bath was fitted correctly should not be a problem

[Mike Strutter]

i thought id kill 2 birds with one stone,,decided to fill the bath ...with nice hot water,,proceeded to take my clothes off and got in it silicone gun in hand,,was gonna phone the owner of the house who was down the stair and ask her to bring me up a cup of tea but i felt this was maybe taking things too far..any thoughts peeps?

If the owner was fit you could've got her to strip off and jump in for you, explaining of course that it's necessary for you to check that the bath wasn't going to move as she would be the main user

[Turkish]

If the owner was fit you could've got her to strip off and jump in for you, explaining of course that it's necessary for you to check that the bath wasn't going to move as she would be the main user

Nothing changes!!!

Turkish

[bigandy]

I Did My Sisters Bathroom(who Was Annoying Me) So I Filled It With Cold And Told Her She Had To Stand In It For An Hour, She Lasted Five Mins.is That Justice Fir Her Putting Me In The Window And Pulling My Pants Down When I Was A Kid?i Think Not But Was Funny!! Sometimes I Fill Sometimes Not!!! But Always Advise Customer To Put Extra Bracing Under Bath As These Cheap Ones Tend To Move.

[andy-p]

i thought id kill 2 birds with one stone,,decided to fill the bath ...with nice hot water,,proceeded to take my clothes off and got in it silicone gun in hand,,was gonna phone the owner of the house who was down the stair and ask her to bring me up a cup of tea but i felt this was maybe taking things too far..any thoughts peeps?

[Spirit]

If the bath is fitted correctly, it will not drop. If Classi Seal is used it will not leak. The problem for some tilers is that they do not know the standard of workmanship of the plumber therefore it can be an unknown situation that you have to deal with.

Oversized baths can be another problem. Two man baths (Whoever thought up that name?) can only be sealed while standing in the tub, unless you are Stretch Armstrong, so they have to be done dry.

[Ger]

This joint is classed as a movement joint under BS5385. Rather than type a long post, the www.sealuxportal.com has a FAQ list on the left hand side of the screen. Some of the questions there may be of interest.

An issue one might consider is that silicone exposed to the shower environment deteriorated, attracts a bio-slime and looks bad. Sealux offer several alternative solutions (on the same portal) that conceal the silicone from view and the shower environment allow great flexibility without tearing or de-bonding.


Regards
Ger