about the present work situation?,do we need more tilers when we are all fighting over the scraps that are now left, due to the recc, i was thinking on these lines when the Hungarian lad was looking for work!! an points boys!!

After reading a few posts that some have put up regarding their expectations and what they were told they could earn I think some of them should be ashamed of themselves. Its all well and good showing the basics but be realistic about what the future might bring.

my sentiments entirely Dom, some lad on this forum did a thread on a first year in the life of a tiler , it was a great bit of writing !!

I have read it Dave. Its sobering reading.

yea i read that, i was told loads bull****

to be fair they are only getting there figures from the government who have posted the same figures

Originally Posted by diamondtiling

After reading a few posts that some have put up regarding their expectations and what they were told they could earn I think some of them should be ashamed of themselves. Its all well and good showing the basics but be realistic about what the future might bring.

I would like to see the government put more funding into colleges, and legit training centres. Also police the unscrupulous ones. The newly trained tilers are the future of our industry. Lets have well trained ones.

typical sales talk though,anything goes to get you in the door and signed up! what happens later is entirely up to you!
There comeback is that it is possible,what they don't mention is that it takes years to build up a customer base and you won't walk in right away and take work from established tilers who have been working for the same community of family and friends for years

What evidence do you have that they are mis-representing the potential earnings of a tiler!
Surely they can only teach the basics and its up to the individual to take that information and apply it to a career.
Anyone who thinks that a 4day/2week/4week course is the answer to a new business set up shouldn't be self employed.

Originally Posted by timeless john

What evidence do you have that they are mis-representing the potential earnings of a tiler!
Surely they can only teach the basics and its up to the individual to take that information and apply it to a career.
Anyone who thinks that a 4day/2week/4week course is the answer to a new business set up shouldn't be self employed.

Agreed but I'm not sure it's the average wage, some tilers will earn a lot more but most will earn a lot less

i wouldent say thay think this., more thay are SOLD this idea!!!!!

Then you can use that argument to every training course! Not long ago they were advertising big money to train in IT and now those people are going into tiling.
My point in question is the title - how do you know that the training centres are not being honest!
The only views I have read on the forum in the last 11 months have been positive towards the Training centres - unless I have missed something?
As for the 'fighting over scraps' its called competition - and for an established tiling contractor this should not be an issue.

Maybe it should have be titled some training centres..


The ones that sponsor tilers forums are far from bad ones and have a very good reputation..

So gooner you cannot tar all training centres as not being honest....that is quite a bold statement to make with no proof of what training centres tell thier students..

Originally Posted by timeless john

Then you can use that argument to every training course! Not long ago they were advertising big money to train in IT and now those people are going into tiling.
My point in question is the title - how do you know that the training centres are not being honest!
The only views I have read on the forum in the last 11 months have been positive towards the Training centres - unless I have missed something?
As for the 'fighting over scraps' its called competition - and for an established tiling contractor this should not be an issue.

Wow, brave words there, John.
I think there is such a thing as hard sell though, and you can do anything with numbers, the oldest trick in the book. Darren from NETT didn't dazzle us with promises, he basically said like with every other business you've got to get off your a** and get out there to get the work, it won't come to you. And gave us lots of marketing tips, I still haven't followed all the advise he gave me personally, but he did give it. I've been had with hard sell myself in other areas, felt like an idiot afterwards but at the time got caught up in the Hurrayh Henry approach. I suppose tiling schools are no different. Sad fact of life.

i dont think they are being honest with there trainees by reading some of the posts on here for a start!!the training centers see them as cash cows ,and misleading them in to thinking they are going to get thousands, when you and i know that is a long way short of the truth, for a considerable time, as for fighting over the scrapps, who wants to do that in there right mind, my idea of fair competition is not a market of ten minute wonders all undercutting each other and ME but a fair playing field of tradesmen that know there trade inside out and not to many as to ruin any status that we have got

A very high percentage of our members are new comers to tiling gooner....so do you find that giving advice to them that you are doing yourself out of work..?

Have you no work on..?

no i don't see it like that at all and if they are trying hard i admire them and encourage them but i can control the way people come in to the trade I've said before thet an apprenticeship IMOis the best way and I'm happy with the competition at the moment

Not many colleges cater for apprenticeships in wall and floor tiling....and it is rare any employers do in house apprenticeships as the modern apprenticeships are the new thing...well they have been out a while..

So that is where short courses come in for those that wish to learn the BASICS..and then they can gain the experiance as they go..

I do not know of any ones that say they make you a fully qualified tile fixer after a short course.

This has been discussed many times on here and usually it is from a member that is struggling with work himself and blames the newcomers or courses for his lack of work.

The fact is gooner the market is slow in some parts of the country and also the sites are very slow...So you now have tile fixers from the sites hitting the domestic market and these are what you are competing against..and theses are the tilers that will work for cheaper rates..

i think it fair to say the thread should be some training centres, i simply started the thread leading on from the lad who paid £2500 and cant get any work , for general discussion , I'm in a specialist niche market and I'm not complaining for myself

it was me that paid 2500, well it was 2640 to be exact, and after learning what i have on here, they could of been more honest.

im glad i done it but i feel i got tricked abit. also there are things i could of learnt on the course that i havent. i.e. ufh, tanking, about backer boards ect. i learnt how to tile and grout thats it.

aqua,

i really do sympathise with you mate and i mean that but you finished your course in the middle of dec 09. its only the 11th jan and in between that we've had the christmas hols, siberian snow storms...add to that a struggling economy??

sometimes its the easy option to blame. theres people who really are having a bad time of it as we speak. sometimes hard times reveal things that you didnt think were possible, theres a saying that 'desperation can reveal inspiration, cheesey yes, but anybody who's made a success of their lives has to go through hard times...

i bet if you asked all the people on here, they would tell you the same..hard times can make you or break you...come on mate, forget about what the training centres said or didnt say,,dig in there and i am sure you'll pull through this and look back in a few months at how it made you a better and stronger person...

anyway , you cant fail because you have a family behind you and everybody on here

Originally Posted by Aqua Tiling

it was me that paid 2500, well it was 2640 to be exact, and after learning what i have on here, they could of been more honest.

im glad i done it but i feel i got tricked abit. also there are things i could of learnt on the course that i havent. i.e. ufh, tanking, about backer boards ect. i learnt how to tile and grout thats it.

And i could of shown you that for £2000

thanks aston, you are all bloody good people

i bet some of you could do it for 200

I could say a few things about these sort coarses but i might get into bother in what i say but its the same in the kitchen fitting game aswell

I think in life everybody should be more honest, Gary 21:41

Originally Posted by garythetiler

I think in life everybody should be more honest, Gary 21:41

it would spoil some damned good stories tho' Gary, if we had to tell the truth

especially them fishy stories aye doug

Originally Posted by Aqua Tiling

especially them fishy stories aye doug

ahem!!

is that your sons biggest catch