I am doing a small job at the weekend,its a 4.5sq/m ensuite floor.Was wondering what procedure the pros follow.Do I make all the cuts first and lay it out as it will be laid, then mix up the ady and lay it,allow to set then grout? Advice wanted please
ta

if your just starting out then dry cutting the floor is the best way to go,once you have set out your floor with all the cuts then you can use rapid set and grout after 3 hours
what type of tiles are you using?

i agree, a floor that small will probably have a high % of cuts so it's easier to dry lay it first to get your cuts spot on then mix up and stick it down.

600 x 600 ceramic

is it a bathroom or kitchen is the toilet etc being removed?

Andy - as there are only 10/12 tiles involved you are best to lay them dry get all your cuts done then fix them.
Have a cup of tea/lunch then grout them.
You the best quality adhesive you cam Mapei rapid flexi and mapei grout.

Bathroom,and everythings out,just one external cut at the shower and water pipes for sink and toilet to cut round. Also should I use evobond or similar before starting.Builder has screwed floorboards and as a new wooden floor is going in in the bedroom I cant use wbp ply as it will raise the tiles to high to meet wooden floor at the threshhold under the door.

STOP!!!!!!
Are you considering tiling direct to the floorboards?

Thats what the guy whos just built her extension reckons

Originally Posted by Andy the tiler

Bathroom,and everythings out,just one external cut at the shower and water pipes for sink and toilet to cut round. Also should I use evobond or similar before starting.Builder has screwed floorboards and as a new wooden floor is going in in the bedroom I cant use wbp ply as it will raise the tiles to high to meet wooden floor at the threshhold under the door.

you must use something to stabilise the floor, i.e 6mm cement boards or remove the floor boards and replace the lot with 22/25mm wbp,tiling onto floorbords will crack and debond from the floor or if it's chipboard then it isn't much better

also when tiling use a good quality flexible adhesive either mapei/bal or similar,read the instructions about priming

Is there no way to tile direct onto floorboards.If the builder wants the floor level then I will have to tell him to remove the boards and replace with wbp.He was sure it would work OK if a bond was used.

next week i am redoing a big bathroom floor which has already been tiled but was tiled straight onto t/g floorboards. the tiles have lifted and cracked because of this. these were expensive tiles which the tiler has now had to replace at his cost because he didnt think that overboarding was necc as there was very little movement.

please be warned andy that no matter what the builder or customer say now.......if it all goes wrong YOU will be at fault mate. insist on overboarding or replacing the floorboards or walk away.
chris

Andy there is a post just last week on tiling direct to floorboards with an adhesive that recommended you could.
'Tiler is being sued' or 'I'am being sued'
This will tell you every reason why not to tile onto floorboards.
Either fix Hardie Tile Backer boards or walk away!

Originally Posted by Andy the tiler

Is there no way to tile direct onto floorboards.If the builder wants the floor level then I will have to tell him to remove the boards and replace with wbp.He was sure it would work OK if a bond was used.

yes and add extra noggins between the joists before boarding out with the ply,can you not use 6mm cement boards?

yes agree with these guys over board with hardie or replace floorboards with 22 25 ply

Originally Posted by Andy the tiler

Thats what the guy whos just built her extension reckons

, deffo overboard, make sure the floorboards are well secured to the joistsand overboard witm 12mm minimum wbp, sealed on the under side and edges with an acrylic primer

Rang the builder and explained this. He says it is far to big a job to start lifting the floor boards.Hes gonna try and convince the customer to return her tiles to the shop and go with lino. Missed out on a job,but I,d not like her to be ringing me in future with a bill for new tiles. And I,ve made a contact in the trade who knows I,m not prepared to do a dodgy job.

Originally Posted by Andy the tiler

Rang the builder and explained this. He says it is far to big a job to start lifting the floor boards.Hes gonna try and convince the customer to return her tiles to the shop and go with lino. Missed out on a job,but I,d not like her to be ringing me in future with a bill for new tiles. And I,ve made a contact in the trade who knows I,m not prepared to do a dodgy job.

you would've regretted it in time if you had done it the builders way

For future reference,How do you match floor hieghts between rooms if using backerboard and ply then tiling on top,Are you not always left with a cliff-like step off the bathroom into the rest of the house??

Originally Posted by Andy the tiler

Rang the builder and explained this. He says it is far to big a job to start lifting the floor boards.Hes gonna try and convince the customer to return her tiles to the shop and go with lino. Missed out on a job,but I,d not like her to be ringing me in future with a bill for new tiles. And I,ve made a contact in the trade who knows I,m not prepared to do a dodgy job.

Well done mate, Its good to see that you didnt just see the pound signs and come to regrett it later, if its worth doing its worth doing right.

lost a job but learned one hell of a good lesson eh, good luck on your next job Andy