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Discuss Laying out question in the Tile Adhesive, Grout and Substrate Preparation at TilersForums; Hi I have just laid out the 1sta row of tiles and find that I have got a 50-60mm gap, whats the best option in this case ? Thanks Ron...
          
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    Hi
    I have just laid out the 1sta row of tiles and find that I have got a 50-60mm gap, whats the best option in this case ?


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    Default Re: Laying out question

    Wot's this on..wall or floor....?

    have you fixed any yet..?

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    Definitely need a little more info. You're better off using some sort of guage to find your best start point.

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    what sise are the tiles? info......!

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    Sorry its on the wall, and will not be laying any tiles until next Saturday.

    The wall I have measured is above the bath 72"w 61"h ( bath on the rhs as you walk in bathroom). The largest wall is on the left as you go in (61"w 90" h).

    There is a window straght ahead of you as you go in (this is where the sink and toilet is)

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    if they are fixed then its a slither if not...redo your setting out to find good chunky cuts at edges.As the guys say ,we really need more info to help you.

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    Thanks Guys

    The tiles are 33 x24, any chance of help with the best place to start ( i can make some sort of drawing if thats easier to help with )

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    measure all walls and mark halfway on them then take a full tile on one side of this line and see how it works in...if still small cut then whichever way you are laying tiles ,mark halfway on the tile and place this on the line in the middle and see how it works in.
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    Thanks thats sounds sensible, will have 2 wait now until the bathroom is free, whats the usual start point, would it be under the window (straight ahead as you walk in, or above the bath on right as you walk in

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    start where you like and make sure you do the same technique from floor to ceiling....before starting...check out the threads setting out

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    Remember, with the vertical set-out, you need to take into account the cuts on every wall, coz you need the tiles to line up all the way round.

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    Thanks

    When you say "with the vertical set-out, you need to take into account the cuts on every wall, coz you need the tiles to line up all the way round"

    I assumed the tiles would just follow as you went round the walls, and I would just cut whatever is needed for all corner cuts and rebates (or am i wrong...this is very possible)

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    you need to get all levels from skirting,boxing in,bath,window sillbottom and top of window,top of dooe etc and copy these levels onto a wall and adjust your cuts to ensure that the cuts all work in with the levels..ie dont want to be left with a slither at the top and you dont want slither under window sill or above the door or bath...i avise you to get some research done before you commence...check out some older threads ..by doing a search for setting out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldbiggs View Post
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    When you say "with the vertical set-out, you need to take into account the cuts on every wall, coz you need the tiles to line up all the way round"

    I assumed the tiles would just follow as you went round the walls, and I would just cut whatever is needed for all corner cuts and rebates (or am i wrong...this is very possible)
    Yup you're right, but you need to take into account all walls before laying the 1st tile. Once that tile is down, you have to follow that line, so all cuts are determined. The cuts will look great on that wall, but if you have obstacles to cut around on a different wall, you could end up with impossibly thin cuts. Think about your cuts on the reveal, your cuts around the edge of bath, maybe you have a sink to cut around, or a toilet etc etc.

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    Default Re: Laying out question

    beat me to it Brian.

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    Default Re: Laying out question

    Try this as well....posted long time ago by one of our members..

    SETTING OUT A ROOM.doc

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    i was looking for that thread Dave but couldnt find i..im sure Ronald wont have any probs now...does what we were saying now make sense Ronald?

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    beanz maybe referring to places such as above your window,wall/ceiing joint.Try and avoid narrow cuts in these areas

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    Thanks for the replys, from what I have read it would appear that the 1st row of tiles are the all important ones, it looks like a case of checking the chosen level from the 1st tile and seeing how that reltes to the remainder of the room. All sounds easy...... however I think this might take some time to choose a start point

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    Hi Ronald,

    I find its best to use a staff stick in areas like this and establishing your datum etc. (mark your tiles on this plus grout gap) this can be used vertically and horizontaly, you can make one at say 1500mm to 2400mm and a smaller one for usef in small areas

    From here you can start marking out from your centre and set out using a pencil to mark. If you get to the end of a wall or socket etc and find your starting point is not suitable you can move the starting point back or forward as you feel appropriate.

    Dont worry if you spend a good 20 or 30 minutes doing this as it will be worthwile.

    It may help also to draw a plumb line approx 100mm at every corner of the room from skirting to ceiling and measre the distance from the line to the corner at top, middle and bottom of the plumb line to see how much the walls are out. This will be usefull to know as you may need to make tapered cuts. In bad cases this can be a disaster if you have set out allowing for less than a half a tile at a corner (if this tiles are small).

    I guess what I am saying is cover yourself from every angle and check every inbch of the room so you know where every tile is going to be.

    I would also try to start from the window and work away from both side so that you tilers meet at the wall where the door is. Doing this helps if you have any small discrepancies with the level of your datum and will be less noticable.
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