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Discuss 30x30 Sirimone mosaic group/seal help in the Tile Adhesive, Grout and Substrate Preparation at TilersForums; hi all need a little help with regards a downstairs toilet i have tiled tiled one feature wall with these mosaics using bal whitestar bathroom and kitchen tiles, floor and ...
          
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    Default 30x30 Sirimone mosaic group/seal help

    hi all
    need a little help with regards a downstairs toilet i have tiled

    tiled one feature wall with these mosaics using bal whitestar
    bathroom and kitchen tiles, floor and wall tiles, marble tiles at Armatile Ireland

    im not sure but im guessing its a mix of marble and travertine , the marble mosaics seem to be quite smooth , while others are rough with holes in them

    looks to me like the grout has filled the holes in the above picture
    should i be doing that too?

    also i have fixed them without sealing so far , should i seal before grouting , or will these weaken grout adhesion?
    better to seal when finished? i have lithofin colour enhancer which says it protects from water , this enough or should i be using stain stop?

    lastly considering the above tiles , which are wall mounted in my case , what group would you recomend , mapei ultracolour limestone?

    sorry for all the questions , just need pointed in the right direction on this

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    Default Re: 30x30 Sirimone mosaic group/seal help

    The grout should fill all the little holes in the unfilled travertine. You should ideally seal before grouting and this won;t affect your adhesive bond. If you use lithofin colour enhancer, you'll probably need to put stainstop over the top of it.

    Lithofin now do a stainstop with built in colour enhancer.

    Mapei don;t do a grout called limestone....the best colour from their ultracolour range would be jasmine which is an ivory/creamy colour.

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    Default Re: 30x30 Sirimone mosaic group/seal help

    sorry for the delay in replying
    thanks for your help
    having trouble sourcing the stainstop plus , everyone seems to only have the stain stop , may have to order online(was hoping to apply tomorrow though )
    im a little confused as to wether to seal before grouting or just seal after ,
    you say seal before , but have seen others say seal after
    was also wondering if aquamix enrich n seal might be better than stainstop plus

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    Default Re: 30x30 Sirimone mosaic group/seal help

    Stainstop plus........is now called stainstop intensifier.....

    http://www.dtstone.co.uk/PDF/LithofinColourInt.pdf

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    Default Re: 30x30 Sirimone mosaic group/seal help

    Before and after imo.

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    Default Re: 30x30 Sirimone mosaic group/seal help

    Seal after..........unless using epoxy...

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    Default Re: 30x30 Sirimone mosaic group/seal help

    If you seal before grouting, will the grout still hold to the Travertine, filling the holes?

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    Default Re: 30x30 Sirimone mosaic group/seal help

    Nope!...

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    Default Re: 30x30 Sirimone mosaic group/seal help

    so i have pro tiler Oli telling me to seal before and pro tiler dave telling me to seal after , my dilema thickens

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    Default Re: 30x30 Sirimone mosaic group/seal help

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    Seal after..........unless using epoxy...
    ive bought bal limestone superflex

    it says 3mm-(bigger gap that i cant remember )
    the mosaics came with fixed with 2mm gap , will this be a problem , should i mix it wetter?

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    Default Re: 30x30 Sirimone mosaic group/seal help

    anyone wanna comment on the seal before/dont seal before grouting issue?

    have bal superflex limestone ready to go
    and have a tin of lithofin stainstop plus

    im tempted to just finish the job completly then add the lithofin , as i think dave was suggesting

    dont wanna make a mess of my mosaics if this is wrong tho
    and also dont wanna put the lithofin on , only for the grout to not stick the best to the holes in the travertine/marble

    help cant decide!

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    Default Re: 30x30 Sirimone mosaic group/seal help

    Grout then seal but work clean to avoid any grout haze which may remain
    "Experience is simply the name we give our mistakes"

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    Default Re: 30x30 Sirimone mosaic group/seal help

    If you seal first then the grout will not hold in the pitted sections of the tiles....they are designed to filled with grout...so deffo grout first then seal.......make sure they are clean and dry before sealing.....

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    Default Re: 30x30 Sirimone mosaic group/seal help

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    If you seal first then the grout will not hold in the pitted sections of the tiles....they are designed to filled with grout...so deffo grout first then seal.......make sure they are clean and dry before sealing.....
    im seeing the sense in this reply , cheers dave

    just a little confusing as there are others who say seal before laying , seal before grout etc..

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    Default Re: 30x30 Sirimone mosaic group/seal help

    Quote Originally Posted by whitebeam View Post
    Grout then seal but work clean to avoid any grout haze which may remain
    im thinking it would be impossible to work clean as i basically have to smooth the grout over the entire job , get the grout into all the holes

    im guessing i try to clean as much off with the float initially then clean as much as poss with a damp spongue after 20 mins?

    this grouting buisness is turning out more tricky then the laying

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    Default Re: 30x30 Sirimone mosaic group/seal help

    Yes!! some do...but not all know how to work with certain stones....

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