Hi All,

going to be starting tiling my bathroom in the next week or two.

I am leaving the Bath out and the tiles that would be immediately butting to the bath due to the bath needing exact setting for the side panel (not cuttable for the height) so will be laying at least one lot of floor tiles that will be under the panel. Also, less chance of dropping a tile and damaging the bath

Wife has chosen some tiles from CTD (New World or something like that) that are 30*60 for the wall and going to be laying them out horizontal - not brick bond though!!

Two walls are Wet Plastered, 2 are studded, and I will be tanking along the edges of the bath, and the corners with the Dunlop system (shower will only be used occaisionally, however kids use the bath all the time and water goes everywhere.

Walls will be tiled floor to ceiling, with two lines of mosaic glass beads going round all the room (one line low - the other high).

I will be battening out using laser level.

So, what would be the best addy to use for good grab, but workability - ie make, tubbed etc and what quantity to do 20 sq m

I also have a bag of BAL flexy that I could use for the floor, but this is now about 14 months old - will it be any good

Cheers for any advice

Steve

Originally Posted by lawrenso

hi all,

going to be starting tiling my bathroom in the next week or two.

I am leaving the bath out and the tiles that would be immediately butting to the bath due to the bath needing exact setting for the side panel (not cuttable for the height) so will be laying at least one lot of floor tiles that will be under the panel. Also, less chance of dropping a tile and damaging the bath

Wife has chosen some tiles from ctd (new world or something like that) that are 30*60 for the wall and going to be laying them out horizontal - not brick bond though!!

Two walls are wet plastered, 2 are studded, and i will be tanking along the edges of the bath, and the corners with the dunlop system (shower will only be used occaisionally, however kids use the bath all the time and water goes everywhere.

Walls will be tiled floor to ceiling, with two lines of mosaic glass beads going round all the room (one line low - the other high).

I will be battening out using laser level.

So, what would be the best addy to use for good grab, but workability - ie make, tubbed etc and what quantity to do 20 sq m

i also have a bag of bal flexy that i could use for the floor, but this is now about 14 months old - will it be any good

cheers for any advice

steve

why not for the extra few quid just tank the shower area? The kids and you will find you use the shower more and moreas they grow older!
Re adheshive it should have a use by date on but this will depend on how its been stored as well. I would be looking at powdered adheshive for that size(you dont state wether they are ceramic or porcelain) and esp for the glass ones make sure you fully cover the back of each one or any pockets of air will show through as a dark area(normally white rapid set or glass adhesive for me)

Agree with above, also give the new plaster at least 4 weeks to fully dry before tiling. Def powdered adhesive and if tiles are porcelain then you will need flexable too. You will need to prime walls aswell.

1 20kg bag of adhesive will cover about 3-4m2 area depending on condition of walls so you will need approx - 5-6 bags.

info below all products available from your local CTD

Originally Posted by lawrenso

Hi All,

going to be starting tiling my bathroom in the next week or two.

I am leaving the Bath out and the tiles that would be immediately butting to the bath due to the bath needing exact setting for the side panel (not cuttable for the height) so will be laying at least one lot of floor tiles that will be under the panel. Also, less chance of dropping a tile and damaging the bath

Wife has chosen some tiles from CTD (New World or something like that) that are 30*60 for the wall and going to be laying them out horizontal - not brick bond though!!

Two walls are Wet Plastered, 2 are studded, and I will be tanking along the edges of the bath, and the corners with the Dunlop system (shower will only be used occaisionally, however kids use the bath all the time and water goes everywhere.

firstly you must use a powdered adhesive for tiles of this size, use bal bond to seal all the walls first, then stick using bal single part or bal rapid set flexible (3 x 20kg bags should cover you)

Walls will be tiled floor to ceiling, with two lines of mosaic glass beads going round all the room (one line low - the other high).

I will be battening out using laser level.

So, what would be the best addy to use for good grab, but workability - ie make, tubbed etc and what quantity to do 20 sq m

firstly you must use a powdered adhesive for tiles of this size, use bal bond to seal all the walls first this is a must as the calcium in plaster and lime in cement can react over time so the bond will keep them apart, then stick using bal single part or bal rapid set flexible (3 x 20kg bags should cover you) for grout use bal microflex (available in white/ivory) about 7kg should do it. hope this helps bud

I also have a bag of BAL flexy that I could use for the floor, but this is now about 14 months old - will it be any good

shelf life is 1 year for powdered adhesives

Cheers for any advice

Steve

Originally Posted by lawrenso

Hi All,

going to be starting tiling my bathroom in the next week or two.

I am leaving the Bath out and the tiles that would be immediately butting to the bath due to the bath needing exact setting for the side panel (not cuttable for the height) so will be laying at least one lot of floor tiles that will be under the panel. Also, less chance of dropping a tile and damaging the bath

Wife has chosen some tiles from CTD (New World or something like that) that are 30*60 for the wall and going to be laying them out horizontal - not brick bond though!!

Two walls are Wet Plastered, 2 are studded, and I will be tanking along the edges of the bath, and the corners with the Dunlop system (shower will only be used occaisionally, however kids use the bath all the time and water goes everywhere.

Walls will be tiled floor to ceiling, with two lines of mosaic glass beads going round all the room (one line low - the other high).

I will be battening out using laser level.

So, what would be the best addy to use for good grab, but workability - ie make, tubbed etc and what quantity to do 20 sq m

I also have a bag of BAL flexy that I could use for the floor, but this is now about 14 months old - will it be any good

Cheers for any advice

Steve

Before you fire in and buy your tiles, you need to check ou the weight of them, plastered walls will only support 20kg/m2 including grout and addy, so you may well be over the weight limit with those tiles.

its not the size of the tile that determines the weight
its per m2 example 6" x 6" tile x 44 = 1 m2
12"x 12" tile x 22 = 1 m2
so it does not go with the size of the tile
general rule i use, no more than 9mm thick, tile on plaster
and no more than 16mm on plasterboard

Originally Posted by ad tiling

its not the size of the tile that determines the weight
its per m2 example 6" x 6" tile x 44 = 1 m2
12"x 12" tile x 22 = 1 m2
so it does not go with the size of the tile
general rule i use, no more than 9mm thick, tile on plaster
and no more than 16mm on plasterboard

The poster didn't specify what type of tile he was fixing, neither did I bother to look at the CTD site to determine what they are. 9mm thick porcelain tiles will be heavier than 9mm ceramics, and stone will generally be even heavier. He should still check out the weight of his tiles before fixing. I would hate for one to fall off and hit his child on the head in the bath!

Originally Posted by grumpygrouter

The poster didn't specify what type of tile he was fixing, neither did I bother to look at the CTD site to determine what they are. 9mm thick porcelain tiles will be heavier than 9mm ceramics, and stone will generally be even heavier. He should still check out the weight of his tiles before fixing. I would hate for one to fall off and hit his child on the head in the bath!

I should have said general rule for ceramic tiles only,
Grumpy i only replied because tile weight and walls
has been a little misleading in other posts
your advice is spot on as usual.

Hi Guys

thanks for all your replies and things to think about. Going to CTD this afters to order with their 25% off offer. I am pretty sure that the tiles are ceramic but will confirm this and the thickness while I am there. I did see something about adhesive they done that was BAL in another bag. Is this any good?

Cheers

Steve

Also,

in regards to tanking, we have two other showers in the house. One that is excellent in the main en-suite and the other that a poor electric in the second bedroom. This shower will only be used for washing the lads hair and for guests as that second shower is not fit for purpose.

Cheers

Steve

Originally Posted by lawrenso

Hi Guys

thanks for all your replies and things to think about. Going to CTD this afters to order with their 25% off offer. I am pretty sure that the tiles are ceramic but will confirm this and the thickness while I am there. I did see something about adhesive they done that was BAL in another bag. Is this any good?

Cheers

Steve

Hav'nt used myself but have read posts from some of the others who do, they seem to like it.

For your tile weights here's a guide Tiles and Adhesive Weight Per Square Metre - THE TILE SOURCE

Right, they are porcelain. They calculated it out that I will just be within tolerance for the walls.

So now my other problems. I need a 60cm Rail Cutter to deal with them. I do have a small wet cutter from previous projects (PlasPlugs one) that will do I think for the smaller cuts. Should I buy a RubiStar 60n Plus that seem to be quite reasonably priced at £78 online or go for something like the Rubi Ti-S-66 which is designed for porcelain - bit more costly at £175 but might pay dividends in making the job easier and sure that I could move it for not much less...

I purchased an angle grinder that came with two Diamond blades at £19.99.

They recommended a Webber M72 adhesive or something like that for the walls - What are your thoughts on this?

I will also need to drill for the following

1. Hanging the radiator

2. Hanging the Shower screen

3. Two 15 mm Shower pipes

4. Wall fittings (tower rail, shower, etc)

5. 32 mm waste from sink

and the biggy - the toilet waste.

So - what do I need for the above without breaking the bank!!!

Also, I will need to cut out for fan switch - unless I resite this on the other side of the stud wall. If I don't and it falls within the tile, what is the advice.

Cheers

Steve

For your drills, look no further than 365drills.com. They do a bathroom fitting "kit" with all the necessary drill sizes.

Should all electric swithes be outside the bathroom unless activated by a string pull?

Any cementitious adhesive suitable for porcelain will do the job. As for the cutter, see if your local CTD will hire out a suitable cutter.

Originally Posted by grumpygrouter

For your drills, look no further than 365drills.com. They do a bathroom fitting "kit" with all the necessary drill sizes.

Cheers - found that link after my last post.

Should all electric swithes be outside the bathroom unless activated by a string pull?

A funny one that - Bathroom isolator can be located on the inside of the bathroom or outside - and as the only electric is the fan.... Some sparks like it to be where they can see it - ie - where they are doing the work so somebody doesn't come along and switch it on.. The fan itself is controlled by a pull chord.

Any cementitious adhesive suitable for porcelain will do the job. As for the cutter, see if your local CTD will hire out a suitable cutter.

There was no offer when in there - only to sell. I would prefer to buy as I plan to do the en-suites next year and then I might redo our kitchen as the tiler we had in was not much kop although came recommended from 2 different places - he now works at British Aerospace

Cheers Grumpy

replies above.

Cheers

Steve

Originally Posted by ad tiling

its not the size of the tile that determines the weight
its per m2 example 6" x 6" tile x 44 = 1 m2
12"x 12" tile x 22 = 1 m2
so it does not go with the size of the tile
general rule i use, no more than 9mm thick, tile on plaster
and no more than 16mm on plasterboard

got to take into account tho' that the larger the format of the tile, the thicker, therefore your density per square metre rises.
apologies, this issue has already been covered in prior posts

Originally Posted by grumpygrouter

The poster didn't specify what type of tile he was fixing, neither did I bother to look at the CTD site to determine what they are. 9mm thick porcelain tiles will be heavier than 9mm ceramics, and stone will generally be even heavier. He should still check out the weight of his tiles before fixing. I would hate for one to fall off and hit his child on the head in the bath!

I am with Grumpy all the way on this.whats the heaviest,i.e 600mmx300mm Ceramic,600mmx300mm,porcelain or 600mmx300mm limestone,they are all 9mm thick. They are all the same size but each tile has a different weight,