....especially as the only bathroom in my client's house is the one I'm working on at the moment.

So, after having the bathroom out of action for nearly a week she has to wait another 2 weeks before she can use the shower - surely not.

I tiled the shower area onto 12mm hardibacker.

Where does it say that?

It says that on all tubs of BAL adhesive branty...you should know that...

After grouting, shower areas should be left to dry for at least 2
weeks before use as detailed in BS 5385 : Part 4 : 1992,
clauses 6.3 and 6.4.

Originally Posted by Branty

Where does it say that?

Part of the "standard" BAL bumf Branty. Apparantly it refers to a BS which states that you must wait 2 weeks after tiling before using a shower. Check out the new BAL Prof Fixers guide, page 23.

"Standard BAL bumf", which is based on BS5385.
So it should apply to every adhesive manufacturer that follows those guidelines. Not just BAL

It actually states the minimum time you have to wait before the shower can be used under 'normal service conditions'.
I would think that this aimed more at communal showers that could be on 12-14 hours a day, almost constantly, rather than a domestic shower that is on for a fraction of that time.

Hi James, good to meet you on Friday. Face to the name at long last.

In the BAL guide lines james..it does state domestic and communal showers.........


Have you lot read your literature.............

That clears that up then.

My client will be relieved

Originally Posted by Dave

In the BAL guide lines james..it does state domestic and communal showers.........


Have you lot read your literature.............

But my point is it also states that this is "AS REQUIRED IN BS 5385-4"



What does mapie say on the matter?

Originally Posted by grumpygrouter

Hi James, good to meet you on Friday. Face to the name at long last.

Yeah, good to meet you too Russ.
You should have hung about for a blether, I had plenty of time on my hands for the rest of the morning

I think its have a go at Bal tonight boys....
Our products not only conform but exceed British Standards.

Originally Posted by Droopy

But my point is it also states that this is "AS REQUIRED IN BS 5385-4"



What does mapie say on the matter?

Should be standard practise for all adhesive manufacturers shouldn't it if it is bs..?...


My quote was from BAL guide lines and not mapei....seen as BAL grip was mentioned thats why..

So, taking a common sense approach, would it harm if the shower cubicle was used some 3 to 4 days after tiling?

We're not talking 10L/min power showers here, just an 8.5kw electric shower.

Originally Posted by GazTech

I think its have a go at Bal tonight boys....
Our products not only conform but exceed British Standards.

why's that bruv...?........I am only stating what BAL advise arn't i..?...

So should be common knowledge for you guys ...

Originally Posted by Dave

Should be standard practise for all adhesive manufacturers shouldn't it if it is bs..?...


My quote was from BAL guide lines and not mapei....seen as BAL grip was mentioned thats why..

Exactly my point.

As for your second point,.... see your first.

Originally Posted by Dave

It says that on all tubs of BAL adhesive branty...you should know that...

Thanks for the reminder Dave. I know what it says on the BAL literature.
I wanted cornish to say what he's read.

This is what it says on BAL's technical notes.

10 After grouting, shower areas should be left to dry for at least 2
weeks before use as detailed in BS 5385 : Part 4 : 1992,

clauses 6.3 and 6.4.



It says this on the Mapei site

Ready for use:

after 7-14 days depending on the absorption of the
surface

This is the webber site.

For wet areas, particularly commercial or
where there is a power shower, an
appropriate grout should be used to
minimize water penetration. Leave for 2
weeks after grouting before using the

shower.

As far as I'm aware, the 2 weeks is to allow the grout to gain it's full strength. It has nothing to do with BAL grip, or any other adhesive.
As you can see, they all say something similar, because its the BS.

But thank you for your concern Dave.

Originally Posted by GazTech

I think its have a go at Bal tonight boys....
Our products not only conform but exceed British Standards.

Enough BAL bashing! BAL are the only manufacturer I've come across who stick to their guns in this respect, and IMO it's a good thing that one of them does. This way we have a "touchstone" to check ourselves against. Of course we can also bear in mind that many of the British Standards still quoted haven't been updated since 1989 wheras adhesive technology way exceeds these now.

You pays your money and you takes your chance...

BAL guys...Just pullin your legs lads.........we all appreciate the hard work you put in

and your great input on the forums........


p.s. did get you goin tho...

Originally Posted by Dave

BAL guys...Just pullin your legs lads.........we all appreciate the hard work you put in

and your great input on the forums........


p.s. did get you goin tho...

Originally Posted by Droopy

Yeah, good to meet you too Russ.
You should have hung about for a blether, I had plenty of time on my hands for the rest of the morning

I would have loved to James but I was on the last phase of a job and needed to get it out of the way. Didn't finish until 6pm as it was. All done and dusted now though and I await a nice fat cheque.

it may be the case that 14 days is required for an adhesive to reach full strength,but the important point of this issue is that the 10 year or 25 year guarantee will not applied if the guide lines are not adhered to.

Originally Posted by oldgit

it may be the case that 14 days is required for an adhesive to reach full strength,but the important point of this issue is that the 10 year or 25 year guarantee will not applied if the guide lines are not adhered to.

Where does it say the adhesive doesn't reach it's full strength until after 14 days?

Originally Posted by Branty

Where does it say the adhesive doesn't reach it's full strength until after 14 days?

it doesnt,but if it states 14 days before use on a bucket it must mean the product that is in the bucket should be left 14 days.

Originally Posted by oldgit

it doesnt,but if it states 14 days before use on a bucket it must mean the product that is in the bucket should be left 14 days.

Read the technical notes.
http://194.223.92.131/pdf/Technical%...White_Star.pdf
The 14 days refers to the grout.

Originally Posted by Branty

Read the technical notes.
http://194.223.92.131/pdf/Technical%...White_Star.pdf
The 14 days refers to the grout.

your not getting the point im making which is if there is a problem you will NOT be covered (by any adhesive company)unless you adhere to guidelines to the letter, all this 10 to 25 year guarantee is total bull IMO and always has been.
they will all wriggle one way or another.
generally speaking the adhesive companies are in the right.
but id bet you cant show any examples of where they have accepted responsibility without being sued.

I agree with oldgit here.

Originally Posted by oldgit

your not getting the point im making which is if there is a problem you will NOT be covered (by any adhesive company)unless you adhere to guidelines to the letter, all this 10 to 25 year guarantee is total bull IMO and always has been.
they will all wriggle one way or another.
generally speaking the adhesive companies are in the right.
but id bet you cant show any examples of where they have accepted responsibility without being sued.

You're the one not getting the point.
If a shower is used less than 14 days after it's grouted. It's the grout that could fail, and therefore the guarantee on the grout would be invalid. Nothing to do with the guarantee on the adhesive.
Every single product you buy has a guarantee, and with that guarantee, is an accepted use of the product.
As for examples where BAL have accepted responsibility, I've had one in 6 months.
Anyone that has a guarantee, has to Honor it. They can't just spout off guarantee's and not Honor them. There are independent bodies that will challenge any Reports made from adhesive/grout failures.

2 weeks before using the shower!! You guys are funny.

Originally Posted by Branty

You're the one not getting the point.
If a shower is used less than 14 days after it's grouted. It's the grout that could fail, and therefore the guarantee on the grout would be invalid. Nothing to do with the guarantee on the adhesive.
Every single product you buy has a guarantee, and with that guarantee, is an accepted use of the product.
As for examples where BAL have accepted responsibility, I've had one in 6 months.
Anyone that has a guarantee, has to Honor it. They can't just spout off guarantee's and not Honor them. There are independent bodies that will challenge any Reports made from adhesive/grout failures.

yeah right

Originally Posted by oldgit

yeah right

Then why don't you just mix up some flour and water, and save yourself a few quid.