Got a brochure through the post today from a company called Stonefix with price list of adhesive and grouts...anybody used them? Prices are..Stonefix white rapid flexible £11.50 for 20kg Grout eight colours flexible wall and floor £6.99 per 10kg bag plus vat.

Did wonder when this would start its a bog standard C2FT adhesive re-badged for Speshalist Tiling Produkts up in the north.

The bag is very pretty and it looks the part but as I said its just another C2FT, probably comming from Benfer or Denmark

Thats pallet rate isnt it ??


If I am wrong then shoot me


tiler

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Not sure there web site is www.stpuk.com have a look.

Originally Posted by enduro

Not sure there web site is www.stpuk.cum have a look.

Oh I know who they are they pester the **** out of me to take it on but I buy cheaper than that at bag rate so havnt bothered m8

STP are in to lots but mostly generic or imported stuff that they try to build a name for.

There are 4 or 5 companies in the uk for tilers related stuff and if you look hard enough you can find the product connections


tiler

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You say a standard C2FT like it’s a bad thing?
Can you let me know were I can get a rapid set flexible non slip interior/exterior adhesive for less than £12.00 per 20kg bag at bag rate.

Originally Posted by bj F

You say a standard C2FT like it’s a bad thing?
Can you let me know were I can get a rapid set flexible non slip interior/exterior adhesive for less than £12.00 per 20kg bag at bag rate.

CTD have specials on at the moment....

profix flexible fastset......£7.99 20kg

pci rapidflex £11.99

weber rapid spf £10.99

mapei keraquick £10.75

enough choice i think for under £12......

Originally Posted by bj F

You say a standard C2FT like it’s a bad thing?
Can you let me know were I can get a rapid set flexible non slip interior/exterior adhesive for less than £12.00 per 20kg bag at bag rate.

No not a bad thing its just everyone has a miracle in a bag when the fact is all the miracles have to comply to standards.

Quality of ingredients may differ but a C2FT is a C2FT no matter what miracles it claims to perform.

I have no connection with stonefix and have no axe to grind but it is C2FT cleverly pushed into an already mad marketplace.

dave has given you prices


tiler

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Yes enough choice thanks.
Have you tried pro fix is it any good?

Profix is made by BAL..so it should be ok....

I’m not really used to anything yet as I am new to the tiling industry but my instructor told me that there were 101 different adhesive manufactories and to see for my self by using them but he proffered BAL, Mapi, and Weber so if pro fix is BAL then it should be ok.

Originally Posted by Dave

Profix is made by BAL..so it should be ok....

oh well nothing to be said then Merlyn makes that stuff

Originally Posted by bj F

I’m not really used to anything yet as I am new to the tiling industry but my instructor told me that there were 101 different adhesive manufactories and to see for my self by using them but he proffered BAL, Mapi, and Weber so if pro fix is BAL then it should be ok.

No 10 manufacturers 101 different bags but not going into the TOP SECRET file


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Originally Posted by Dave

Profix is made by BAL..so it should be ok....

Hmmmm Well CTD gave my dad a bucket of Profix a few weeks back and said to try it....I did, i tiled a wall and next day the tiles still moved. Wont be using that again.

Originally Posted by Sir Ramic

Hmmmm Well CTD gave my dad a bucket of Profix a few weeks back and said to try it....I did, i tiled a wall and next day the tiles still moved. Wont be using that again.

Well it is the lower range...

Originally Posted by Dave

Well it is the lower range...

yeah it was free

What do you mean top-secret file.

stonefix aint bad according to some traders i deal with in the north and assure me its reliable enough.and its not a bad price.although if you are new to adhesives and still want to use a rapidset you could use one of the granfix flexs that let you add water to extend its pot life when it starts to go off
food for thought

i have used stonefix and i found it to be very slippy no matter how stiff you mix it

Originally Posted by ti1eman

stonefix aint bad according to some traders i deal with in the north and assure me its reliable enough.and its not a bad price.although if you are new to adhesives and still want to use a rapidset you could use one of the granfix flexs that let you add water to extend its pot life when it starts to go off
food for thought

Let me get this right!!!...So Granfix have a cement based adhesive that once it has started to set ( hydraulically) lets you add more water to soften it again , thus watering down the mixture once it is chemicaly acitivated............which adhesive is this then..?...

Originally Posted by ti1eman

stonefix aint bad according to some traders i deal with in the north and assure me its reliable enough.and its not a bad price.although if you are new to adhesives and still want to use a rapidset you could use one of the granfix flexs that let you add water to extend its pot life when it starts to go off
food for thought

My Arse not in this lifetime!! water is the catalyst.




tiler

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according to the rep i spoke to this week granfix are the only company who provide this.

Originally Posted by ti1eman

according to the rep i spoke to this week granfix are the only company who provide this.

Don't want to sound out of term here...but that rep needs educating........once an adhesive has started to set that's it........

If you can provide us with some literature from granfix stating the adhesive and instructions etc..then we will take it all back.......

dan according to the rep it was rapid flex white 2 hour drying time which could be extended.they have two sorts of flex white all be it more exspensive.
if i wasnt positive i wouldn't post it - it was only tuesday i was told.

will do dan if i am wrong i will appologise and eat my shorts.i will contact the rep to double check it was not an additive but am sure i'm right.i myself have only been familiar with bal,palace,pci,sontex,webber, and granfix is new to me that is why the rep was going through the benifits.so i am now curious with these reactions.as i want to give my traders the right info .i will now shut up till tomorrow on this

Can someone educate me and tell me what a 'C2FT' adhesive is and what other adhesives are known by
Thanks John

You will find the data sheets here for granfix adhesives and they all say the same...when the adhesive has started to set , you must discard...not water down....

CFTA Standard

Rapidset

Fastset

Fastset Flexible

CFTA Fexible

Originally Posted by faithhealer

Can someone educate me and tell me what a 'C2FT' adhesive is and what other adhesives are known by
Thanks John

TYPE CLASS

C 1 Normal cementitious adhesive
C 1 F Fast-setting cementitious adhesive
C 1 T Normal cementitious adhesive with reduced slip
C 1 F T Fast-setting cementitious adhesive with reduced slip
C 2 Improved cementitious adhesive with additional
characteristics
C 2 E Cementitious adhesive with extended open time
C 2 F Improved fast-setting cementitious adhesive with
additional characteristics
C 2 T Improved cementitious adhesive with additional
characteristics and reduced slip
C 2 T E Improved cementitious adhesive with additional
characteristics, reduced slip and extended open time
C 2 F T Improved fast-setting cementitious adhesive with
additional characteristics and reduced slip
D 1 Normal dispersion adhesive
D 1 T Normal dispersion adhesive with reduced slip
D 2 Improved dispersion adhesive with additional
characteristics
D 2 T Improved dispersion adhesive with additional
characteristics and reduced slip
D 2 T E Improved dispersion adhesive with additional
characteristics, reduced slip and extended open time
R 1 Normal reaction resin adhesive
R 1 T Normal reaction resin adhesive with reduced slip
R 2 Improved reaction resin adhesive with additional
characteristics
R 2 T Improved reaction resin adhesive with additional

characteristics and reduced slip

profix is not bal they come from the same people but it is not bal or made for bal.However is ok for cheap jobs and diy.

Originally Posted by ti1eman

dan according to the rep........

Originally Posted by ti1eman

will do dan if i am wrong i will .....

I'm Dan, that's Dave you're talking to mate.

Originally Posted by spacedout

profix is not bal they come from the same people but it is not bal or made for bal.However is ok for cheap jobs and diy.

Do a search for "Bal in another bag" and check it out. Can,t do a link hav'nt got a clue how to.