Hi,

Been a long time lurker on here, getting some info absorbed before I start a bathroom refurb for my in-laws. They have a ground floor (concrete) floor and I intend on ripping it all out and replacing the bath with a wet-room style shower area. After reading a lot, I feel the best former for my needs will be the pro4mer tray (1135x770 is about perfect.)
I then intend to tank the shower walls, (one will be a new false wall of aqua board) and the other an internal existing wall.

Not sure on what tiles i'm going for yet, but I want to use mosaics for the shower floor, as I would feel more confident fitting these.

Will try and put up a quick sketch of layout to show what i'm planning.

Also, I tried ordering from Wetdecs this morning, but have had no correspondence from them since ordering. Has anyone ordered from the site at all? Also tried calling, emailing and PM'ing to no avail! Can anyone recommend other places to purchase formers/tanking from in case they don't come through? Need to start on Friday so would ideally like the parts by then.

Thanks.

I will get wetdecs to contact you direct..

thank you for that, they do not mention on their site how long delivery is, so wanted to keep chasing it.

No probs, i have asked him to come on and help you..

Originally Posted by shorn

Hi,

Been a long time lurker on here, getting some info absorbed before I start a bathroom refurb for my in-laws. They have a ground floor (concrete) floor and I intend on ripping it all out and replacing the bath with a wet-room style shower area. After reading a lot, I feel the best former for my needs will be the pro4mer tray (1135x770 is about perfect.)
I then intend to tank the shower walls, (one will be a new false wall of aqua board) and the other an internal existing wall.

Not sure on what tiles i'm going for yet, but I want to use mosaics for the shower floor, as I would feel more confident fitting these.

Will try and put up a quick sketch of layout to show what i'm planning.

Also, I tried ordering from Wetdecs this morning, but have had no correspondence from them since ordering. Has anyone ordered from the site at all? Also tried calling, emailing and PM'ing to no avail! Can anyone recommend other places to purchase formers/tanking from in case they don't come through? Need to start on Friday so would ideally like the parts by then.

Thanks.

I am here always lurkin............

You never pushed the confirm button Shorn so it was left open and neither of us got the paper work. Sorted it for you now.....

Deliver is within 4 days usually faster unless there is a stock glitch or the ever so reliable carriers loose it.

The system is those who paypal goes out asap..............

Those who bank transfer goes out once the buyer has confirmed his address....... Just had one customer wait ages because he didnt read his email. You confirming your address in reply to our request acts as the purchase order......................

Responded to PM, thanks for getting back to me, very much appreciated!

Not a problem...............

Ok, got the tanking today, hopefully former will be here by Friday when I'm all good to go! Now I am a DIYer and therefore have a few questions. Firstly it's with regards to the floor. The former is the pro4mer tray and will be set into the concrete floor. Now at the moment, one third of the concrete floor sits 20mm lower than the rest, the former will be sitting into part of this lower section, but I will need to fill in the other part to bring the floor level. What's going to be the best way about this? I've never screed a floor before, and I'm not entirely sure of the best way about it. My plan is to lay my waste pipe, as this will have to run under the floor in the current screed, I can then set the former and screed the rest of the floor level. What's going to be the best mix for the screed? And what do people think the likely drying time will be before I can tank over it ( and then tile)?

Secondly, I am going to be tanking the shower area with the dura-wp tanking kit, what would be the recommended adhesive? Both for this and the tiles?

Thirdly! Say I tank and tile the entire shower area, all good, but I need to install a shower seat within the shower area, and this will need to be drilled back into the wall, surely this will provide an inlet for water to get in? What's the best way to put fixings into a tanked and tiled wall to retain it's seal?

Any help greatly appreciated!

Well many thanks to wetdecs, everything has arrived and all is set to go... I had a couple of questions that I asked him but thought I might as well put them up here as well....

1. what adhesive do you recommend to apply the dura-wp? Part of it will be applied to new aqua panel, and part to a plaster wall.

2. Is there a best method to attach the trap to the waste pipe, bearing in mind the trap has to be set in above the former?

Many thanks!

The trap wont be above the former will it? Do you mean the grid? If so then this is adjustable to meet your tiles. I would use a flexible one part grey adhesive to fix the dura.

Sorry didn't explain myself to well. The trap has to be set into the former from above, it is a single piece. Other traps I have seen can be fitted to the waste pipe and then have the former lowered down on top of that and then the drain cover is attached to the trap from above the former. With this model (the pro4mer) that does not seem possible. Does that make sense?

I dont follow you, the trap has to be in two pieces at least. You fit the trap to the underside of the tray and it will have another piece that connects from the top of the tray with a seal between them. This is adjustable to allow for your tiles.

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Once your pipework is all in place and connected position the tray and fit the securing part of the trap.

Unfortunately it is not in two pieces. I do have a seperate grill to be able to tile in, but the trap has to be inserted into the former from above (there are not two pieces that seal together.) Not that it matters as its done now!
We ended up cutting length of waste to size, solvent fitting it to the trap, fed this right through the former and then kind of eased it down as we laid the former down. Not too hard actually, however it would have been harder had we not had the exposed channel for the waste. I'll post some pics soon to demonstrate.
Day one is complete now, bathroom was completely ripped out, area for former and waste was dug out, former set in place, rest of the floor was screed. Good start it seems. lets hope the rest goes well!

purely out of curiousity , did you rip out the only bath in the house ??

yep. its what they wanted, said they never have a bath, and they are not planning on moving any time soon!

Right, I have another quick question!
I have the pro4mer tray that I ordered from wet decs and I also got the tanking kit a well (the nicobond one)

I also added the dura-wp wall tanking kit, however I have just seen that the nicobond kit is for the walls as well.

The shower area is made up of aqua panel, so do you think that if I use the nicobond kit, should I bother with the dura wp as well?

Ok, shower area was boarded with aquapanel and I used the nicobond wetroom tanking kit to tank the area. Now tiling of the walls is done, and ive come to lay tree floor mosaics on the shower area. I started to lay them and then realised that they were not bonding, after a while when the adhesive started to dry, it just lifts straight up of the mat that's on top of the former??????

Any ideas?

What adhesive you using shorn ?

So they were not dry when they lifted off ???

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The adhesive is called Granfix 1 part flexible. It was drying out as it lifted off, but it was definatley not adhering to the base.

Sorry the collar was not adhering to the base or the tiles to the membrane ?

Have they dried since it can be a little deceiving sometimes until the adhesive has gone off. Worth noting it will take adhesive a little longer to dry on any membrane as there is nowhere for the moisture to go. If using a standard adhesive rather than a fast this can take 24hrs + .

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Well the membrane is down over the former, and this is stuck to it but there are some areas where it doesn't seem to be "glued" down, I was presuming this would be ok once the tile adhesive and tiles go down as the whole lot would be packed down together. Don't get me wrong, it's not sliding about, it hasn't budged, but there are certainly sone areas where it feels less stuck.

With regards to the tiles, I an using glass mosaics and have been recommended Bal Mosaic Fix to put these down. I understand that the last adhesive might have taken a little longer (it is a rapid set) but I could tell it was just not right. The adhesive wasn't adhering to the floor, and the tiles were not adhering to the adhesive.

Should this Bal mosaic fix do the trick?

Was the adhesive you used suitable for glass mosaics? Bal mosaic fix is suitable as long as the backs are sensitive to water (from the data sheet) http://194.223.92.131/pdf/Technical%..._Mosaicfix.pdf

The adhesive says it was suitable for mosaics but it does not mention glass. The bal bag states it is not suitable for water sensitive backs, I don't think these do, it's just glass mosaic on the mesh backing, nothing to indicate a water sensitive back.

I think you have a membrane to glass vapour check problem the cure to which is drying time and resisting fiddling if you can (know its hard)

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